Racist Tories

OK Let's clear up a couple of things....

1. I asked you not to attack me Gone girl because I was nervous you may.

2. Nobody has answered my question as to how comparing a woman in a burqa to a letterbox is funny.

3. Those of you who refer to "brainwashing" where do you get your information from please? Have you asked Muslim women about their choices?

4.*Burka is used oppressively. We all know this*. Can we have some nuance here please? Are we talking about the Taliban in Afghanistan or a Mum on the school run in Rochdale.

Yes lots of threads attacking Boris, Farage and the Tories. It just proves how fanatical and aggressive the far left are.

Oh yeah, that's me fanatical , aggressive and far far left. Grrrrrr.

May I humbly suggest Farage ( right wing idiot), BJ, ( right wing chancer) and the Tories not the same thing.

grapefruitpip - brainwashing from birth means teaching a child that is what they must do. So that by the time they grow up it is instilled in them and they automatically 'choose' to do that thing. That is what religion has always done, controlled people.

grapefruitpip would you please stop attacking me.

I can’t agree, we no longer have freedom of speech in this country.

Burka is used oppressively. We all know this. Can we have some nuance here please? Are we talking about the Taliban in Afghanistan or a Mum on the school run in Rochdale.

A mum wearing a burka in the UK is not being oppressive but she moght be being oppressed. Any bunch of people (usually men) making women wear burkas or even hijab when the women would rather not (see places in the Middle East where women can be jailed for taking their head covering off) is oppressive. In my opinion the garment itself is oppressive, as would be any garment covering the face of a human being so completely.

I hope that is sufficient context for you to understand what I'm saying, gfp.

I don't understand the North London reference either (and DD used to live there )
Nor stab Britain in the back I've heard of politicians doing it to each other, metaphorically speaking of course
Nor dog whistle politics

Whatever happened to the Campaign for Plain English?

On the practical side, I should think a burqa wearer's vision is somewhat restricted. Which is not good.

But surely it is not for BJ to be telling Muslim women that a garment of clothing " is oppressive".
Actually, I think it is a good idea for those in power to speak out for women who may be being coerced by their menfolk into wearing such garments.
If they choose to wear such garments then so be it, it is up to them. But not all wear them through choice.

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Not that it’s influencing anyone mind you ( more like the opposite.)

Yes, they are having the opposite effect to that intended, I'm sure.

Baggs this commet amazes me ''I think most people who wear a wig do so for practical reasons rather than because of brainwashing, likewise owning a fridge, cooker, etc.''

I always thought of you as a highly educated woman. You don't know much about Jewism.

You are correct, jura. I don't know much anything about Jewism. I've never even come across that word before.

The people I know who are or were wig-wearers wore them for practical reasons so my comments were based on my experience.

All well-educated people know nothing about all sorts of things.

Thanks for correcting me - I speak French all day and every day currently- and ...

but it makes little difference to the message. Jewish women do not wear wigs for pratical reasons, neither do they have 2 fridges just to have more space.

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Why, gfp?

What is being talked about is a large black garment.

Would you feel sick to your stomach if I spoke in such terms (sack-like, for example) of, say, a voluminous overcoat? I doubt it.

probably not- because the is no comparison whatsoever

Being a well-educated person (someone who knows how to find out, rather than someone who knows), I did some looking up and found that I had heard previously about ultra orthodox Jewish women wearing wigs because of a rule about covering their hair. I don't recall hearing about the two fridges thing but I expect it's to do with keeping different kinds of food separate, which, while I may not feel that need, would seem to be based on some practical ideas about the food in question.

However, jura, your scathingness about my knowledge is just a deflection. Have you come up with an answer to my query about the practicalness of the burka?

Why is there no comparison between a 'garment' made of a large amount of black fabric and a garment made of a large amount of, say, khaki fabric? That's all I'm comparing.

Stop virtue signalling grapefruitpip. Don't believe you really give a toss about it.

some practical ideas about the food in question

Er, no, there is a bit more to it.

The Jewish women who cover their hair with other hair do not cover their faces as well, do they? In which case, their wigs are just another kind of hat. Until recently nearly everyone wore a hat, often indoors as well as outdoors.

ما شاء الله‎,

Would you like to tell us some of it then, gfp? I would be interested to hear.