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How can the Tories be proud of their leader? *Title edited by GNHQ*

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MawB Mon 09-Dec-19 18:12:51

So today Johnson refused to look at footage of a 4 year old boy being treated on the floor of a Leeds A&E, even pocketing the phone of the journalist trying to show it to him.

Where is this man’s common decency?
Where is his humanity?
When will he realise the buck stops with him ?

paintingthetownred Mon 09-Dec-19 22:23:14

IT wasn't 'daft' gonegirl it was disgusting.

And in the highest sense anti-democratic.

And he is the PRIME MINISTER.

In capitals if you are the prime mnister you do not nick the phone out of a journalists hand and put it in your pocket. You are infringing their democratic rights Can we all revist this and what rights journalists have and the job they are entitled to do?

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 22:23:30

I did read it, yes.I have been through similar experiences taking children to A&E over the years,even when being taken there by ambulance, there are long waits and sleeping on chairs at certain times.Even...whisper it, in the Blair years.
We need new hospitals.

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 22:24:59

It doesn’t mean the NHS is falling apart!

Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 22:25:16

lemon in fact they do not have to ‘expand’ . In most cases there are empty wards, closed by this lot of incompetents.

Surely you have heard about all the ward closures or have you had your head buried in the DM?

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 22:26:03

Yes Gonegirl it was daft to put the phone in his pocket.

paintingthetownred Mon 09-Dec-19 22:26:09

Lemongrove. Don't you dare tell us Boris is the one to do it. He has already lied about the hospitals he has said the Tories will build don't you dare tell llies on here. I'm not having it.

Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 22:26:55

I am sorry for you lemon because I think you truly believe that the NHS is thriving. It probably means that you cannot bear to think otherwise.

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 22:27:36

I can’s say where I think you have your head buried yeahbut......but I can think it.?

paintingthetownred Mon 09-Dec-19 22:28:22

And so what if the NHS was 'falling apart in the Blair years'. So what. The situation is what it is RIGHT NOW>
No need to whisper lemon grove. Shout it from the roof tops

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 22:28:56

Oh give over Painting ..you and your ‘don’t dare’ nonsense.

Gonegirl Mon 09-Dec-19 22:32:09

I guess you have to look behind the man. Look at proposed policies.

I think Gove would have been a better leader. He can actually talk.

Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 22:33:22

No answer lemon but resorting to vulgarity? Like your Leader and idol.

Gonegirl Mon 09-Dec-19 22:33:53

painting he made it clear he intended to look at it later. But still daft.

Yes. Daft.

Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 22:34:35

Foul mouthed racist.

Yehbutnobut Mon 09-Dec-19 22:34:44

Boris of course.

lemongrove Mon 09-Dec-19 22:37:30

Hospitals are very busy at this time of year, and that’s all there is to it.They are always busy in Winter which means that sometimes things are not ideal.
That’s one thing.
The other is how Johnson handled a reporter shoving a phone in his face.Why he pocketed the phone I have no idea, to look at later, who knows, but a daft move, he can’t think on his feet, a trait he has in common with Corbyn actually, who can’t take heckling or awkward questions either.
The other leaders are glad someone else is getting flak, social media awash with hysterical ‘empathy’.....in fact something for everyone to enjoy.

JenniferEccles Mon 09-Dec-19 22:40:32

It was a set up, I’m sure of it.

The mother took the picture then contacted the Labour supporting comic the Daily Mirror.

Boris obviously put the phone in his pocket to look at it when he had a moment.

That should have been the end of it.

millymouge Mon 09-Dec-19 22:49:41

Not saying it as an excuse but having dealt with children who are very sick and are feeling terrible and don’t understand what is happening. They sometimes don’t want to lay on beds
or somewhere comfortable and suitable. Have nursed a very sick child who only wanted to lay against a window or one who would only settle in a empty bath.. perhaps this poor little chap was so hot and found the floor cool. I feel so very sorry for him though however he felt (and for his parents too)

trisher Mon 09-Dec-19 22:53:33

I suppose the mother gave her child the flu and tonsillitis as well Oh and she probably forced the Leeds General Hospital to make the apology. Even if it was fake (and it wasn't) Even if it was a set up (and it wasn't) Boris didn't react with any human compassion at all. But I don't know why I'm surprised, after all why should a man who can't count his own children care about anyone elses?

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 23:00:53

This is very wrong

I would have hoped that the NHS had improved since the days that patients were forced to drink dirty water from flower vases in Stafford Hospital during the days of the last Labour Government

The NHS needs to be taken out of the political arena.

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 23:12:15

Interesting what the Senior Nursing Officer said then!

If this child had the flu and tonsillitis, as diagnosed, then being at home and cared for by his mother would have been the best thing for him than being dragged out in the cold and lying on a floor.

The GP services are failing that is why A&E departments are struggling.

Dinahmo Mon 09-Dec-19 23:14:52

Surely the easiest thing for Johnson to have done was to look at the picture, acknowledge what it showed (or appeared to show) and tell the journalist that he would look into it? That way he wouldn't have been criticized. He's obviously not as quick a thinker as some people think.

maddyone Mon 09-Dec-19 23:16:57

Oh dear, what a terrible story. That poor little boy should not have been on the floor, I would have been incensed if that was my child or grandchild. If it’s true that the mother phoned the press she should be ashamed of herself. I would have been incensed if it was my family, but go to the press, never.
There is never an excuse for this in my opinion. I know the NHS is overstretched but a child should absolutely never be on the floor. A patient on a trolley in a corridor is one thing (I have been such a patient myself) but a child on the floor is disgusting.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 23:16:58

No; his bumblyness is a cover for that, isn't it. Like the supposedly unscripted bumbly speeches he makes that are, in fact, well rehearsed.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 23:19:27

...he's now hiding away from areas were people are protesting against him, just as he's hiding from Andrew Neil. And this is the 'strong' man that everyone thinks will take us out of Europe into a new golden age....I hope he has a 'dead man walking' moment on Thursday/Friday the way that May did....