Will the remainers admit defeat?

Please stop repeating the myth that the country voted to leave. It was, as Greta says above, 52% of those who voted. Too narrow a margin, which has inevitably led to a large number of people feeling disenfranchised and that's where the anger resonates from.

Mr Johnson had fine words this morning in Parliament but we have seen only too clearly the attitude of the right and of those who tell us they voted to leave on this forum. Even the title of this thread tells us that if Mr Johnson believes what he said to be true - no winners and losers, no leavers and remainers, it is not what we see on here. There is a still a sense of the "good kicking" the right like to use to persuade but perhaps it will become less of the far-right as we see it here in the younger generations.

The title of the thread relates to the referendum itself. No-one is saying that the leavers are winners in life any more than the remainers are losers in life. Both will eventually benefit from leaving the EU but it will take time.
I have to say the 'attitude of leavers' which you criticise is no worse than the 'attitude of remainers' on these threads. Both have strong feelings and you can't blame the leavers for feeling happy.

As a Remain voter (because I couldn’t get a clear idea of the implications of Leave) . I am cautiously optimistic about the deadlock we had being broken. It’s one reason I am glad we now have a majority Govt once again. I can’t stand Boris Johnson and wasn’t keen on Jeremy Corbyn either. It’s no surprise then that I was pissed off on Friday morning last week ?.

I think we need to now get on with Brexit and deal with the issues as and when they come up.

There will be positives and negatives as a result of Brexit....and I won’t have any truck with Leave voters complaining about any negative issues they encounter.

I am expecting most Leave voters to be happy and okay with any issues though. The only people who might complain are the racists who thought Brexit meant no immigration but this is a minority of Leave voters.

Personally I think there will be a middle road and a way forward. I’m expecting the economy to take a significant hit though and as the parent of a disabled child this concerns me as it will be social costs which suffer most.

Chesnut can not see any benefits from leaving. This government has just given themselves powers that override anyones objections and I have just heard that good old Boris has approved the takeover of some defence contract by the US. It will only get worse, so no positives from me.

How lovely it has been to be too busy to even look at threads like this in the run-up to Christmas. What a horrible time we live in when an OP is not about politics. - the bit that matters - but simply about winning and losing.

Winning and losing. We seem to have lost all sense of grace and knowledge that today you "win" but tomorrow it could be someone else. It also seems that people want to win just for winning's sake. If you win the Booker Prize you are not a winner for more than a moment in time, but you remain a fiction writer. All the runners-up are fiction writers too and it will make little difference, except in a small world, for more than a moment. The same applies to artists and athletes. They are defined by their work, not their win.

As for winning and losing the referendum. Have you noticed that no one has said the Tory's did not win the election? To "win" the referendum, which the OP seems to be desperate for others to say they have, you have to have the losers consent. It seems the Tories do - for this election. However, I doubt that the referendum will ever be seen by some as something other than that thrust upon us by a by lies, dishonesty and unscrupulous practices. So no winner and no loser just a little less democracy.

So did the leave voters "win". No, but they did add to the corruption of our democracy and I, for one, will never see it any differently. Meanwhile, those you are so desperate to see as 'losers' will no doubt be joining those very people in picking up the pieces of our shattered democracy and economy.

I’m a remainer till I die. I can’t do anything about the leave vote, but it has nothing to do with me.

We lost and the leavers also lost. The whole country has lost a great deal and may not even survive.

Those who actually won are people who do not wish us well. The aim was to destabilise the UK, the EU and damage our liberal democracy.

Vladimir Putin won, Rupert Murdoch won, Crispin Odey won. It was a win for unscrupulous billionaires, but not for any of us.

I am SO relieved that the misery scenario predicted on here is not representative of the views of the majority of the country.

Out in the real world, rather than on here I sense a mood, a feeling of optimism now we have got rid of the frankly terrifying prospect of ghastly Corbyn in power, and instead have a Tory government led by an enthusiastic, inspiring Boris Johnson.

However, some on here will always seek to see the negative, but as I said thankfully you do not represent the majority of us.

The majority of us did not vote for the brexitories.

Depends on your 'circles' - we have done a lot of visiting last week- and all the people we know are either in dispair, or very worried- yes even those who voted for Conservatives...

I guess that depends on your circle of acquaintances JenniferEccles. I don't sense much optimism amongst the people I know and with whom I have contact.

Apart from anecdotal evidence, do you have anything to back up your claim that "the misery scenario predicted on here is not representative of the views of the majority of the country"?

In any case, even if there's only a majority of one, are you really so insensitive that you don't care about the other 16 million (or so)?

Jura2. Negativity breeds negativity

I'm happy to be surrounded with people of all political persuasions. Remainers and Brexiteers
Young and old

None of them are filled with doom and gkoom

Misery loves company

That is quite a rant GGMK3. Did you get out of the bed on the wrong side?
What a horrible time we live in when an OP is not about politics. - the bit that matters - but simply about winning and losing.
Where in the OP does it mention winning and losing? It doesn't. You have twisted the subject in your head to make it so. It simply refers to those people who won't accept that the country has voted to leave three times. If you choose to read more into it then that's your problem.

All my close family and all of my friends are remainers. Most of us are only keeping cheerful by trying to ignore the future. As my 83-year-old brother put it “I’ll be dead. Good luck, kids.” We are distressed at passing this fiasco on to the younger generations.

Well said JenniferEccles - I am SO relieved that the misery scenario predicted on here is not representative of the views of the majority of the country.
The same posters keep popping up on every thread repeating the same old message of misery and doom. The people I've spoken to are mightily relieved with the election result and feel a good deal more hopeful and optimistic than before.

Goodness me Oopsminty! Where did you find those vacuous soundbites?

You obviously mix in different circles too Chestnut.

Don’t they just Chestnut!

MawB well said

Children are still being killed in Syria
In Tell Rifaat recently twelve children were killed in one day by the Syrian regime and Turkish forces.

Is that ever reported here?
No, people just wrangle on and on and on about Brexit.
Does anyone here care?

All these people who live in their sunny bubbles, probably in some semi rural toryshire, in a nice house with nice car and nice holidays, obviously don’t care about anyone else who doesn’t feel the same, and not because they are miseries but because they have actual tangible reasons for their lack of hope. If it makes you happy to screw up the lives of others then enjoy.

Everyone I know is either upset or trying to ignore Brexit. Kids at school think it's crazy, family and friends are unhappy. IMO the whole thing is insane. I'm glad I'm kicking on a bit. The way the UK is going, I'm happy I haven't got a whole lifetime ahead. I worry for my grandson though.

I meant does anyone here in the UK care about Syria?

Yes, I do.

I live in a nice Tory shire in a nice house with nice neighbours, with a nice car and nice holidays but me and mine (apart from a couple) voted Remain as did the majority in our constituency and yes we do care.

How can you generalise like that suzied*?

I don't think most people even know that the bombing is still going on growstuff.