Will the remainers admit defeat?

chestnut if there has been problems in London with groups of remain voters, I predict before 31/1/2019 there will be further probs. There would have been probs if the vote had gone the other way too.

Either way, there will be trouble.

There were not many protesters but it is still very worrying that there are people who will simply not accept the result of a general election especially one with such a decisive result.

A larger number of people voted NOT for Johnson, and NOT for Brexit - but our First Past the Post has given Johnson a big majority, disproportionately so.

This is the very nature of politics- you accept the vote- and then keep fighting ...

The reason why so many never accepted the results of the Referendum, was/is because it was quickly proven to have been one on massive lies, deceit, fraud and outside interference (the evidence of which Johnson is still refusing to publish), and the fact it was by a tiny majority.

Give it a rest Jura2. We've heard this argument ad nauseam on these boards. The referendum fight is over. The very point of this thread.

I agree our voting system is flawed. Hence the SNP having far too many MPs for the number of voters...... SNP has 48 MPs for only 1.2 million voters.
They are over represented!

Back in 2015 UKIP had 3.8 million voters and just one MP.

Any wonder there will always be unhappy people.

Who are you to tell another poster to ‘give it a rest’?

I was a Remainer but I'm not licking my wounds because there's now't you can do with what's happened except try and make the best of a bad job. Hope for the best and expect the worst.

The whole of the UK has been defeated by those who do not have our best interests at heart.

Stolen from a friend:

“So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as pm.

Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a “to do” list for you.

1. Get brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the nhs or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.

2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all british about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.”

Who are you to tell another poster to ‘give it a rest’?
Just sick of reading virtually the same words posted hundreds of times. Repeating the same thing ad nauseum just gets annoying and makes people switch off.

Oh not another ghastly FB letter telling us what to do.

Why have we become so infantile?

Welshwife your friend has nailed it! But when none of it materialises we'll hear the same old "well nobody really thought all that would happen" because the leave voters knew what they were voting for, even seeing through all the lies. I hope things won't be that bad, but I expect I'm more likely to see a squadron of piggies fly over than all that list gets done any time soon
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Nobody has mentioned Gibraltar yet or the Falklands - or if they have then I have missed it.

Welshwife - you seem in a hurry to have your list of demands delivered immediately. Well I'm afraid you'll have to show some patience. Rome wasn't built in a day you know.

....us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong
And having delayed Brexit for that long you will now have to wait three and a half years before you can start complaining how much better it was when we were in the EU.

I am another remainer that accepted we had lost the referendum as soon as the result was announced. I do not know many remainers who didn't.

I think this idea of 'Remainers (with a capital R) who will not accept defeat is a Leaver construction, conjured up by them to bolster their unease that the result was so marginal.

I think we should just have walked out on 31 December 2016, without any kind of agreement. When you resign membership of a club, you leave when your subscription expires. You do not argue about the terms of your leaving.

I find the Leaver obsession with negotiating terms most peculiar.

Arbitrary post election deadlines via Facebook!
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I find the Leaver obsession with negotiating terms most peculiar.

I do too. But I'm not sure it is/was a Leaver obsession. It seemed to be Remainer MPs who were terrified of the "Clean Brexit" (no deal) that the Brexit Party was espousing and a Remainer Prime Minister (May) who felt something had to be negotiated.

I recently saw a short clip by the British Russian stand up comic, Konstantin Kisin, that was quite amusing where he took the piss about leaving in the future. The Russian way, he suggested, would have been that we left immediately after the Referendum votes were counted.

So I suppose that our entanglement with complex EU laws is what has caused at least part of the delay.

Here's a link to the tweet that has a link to KK's skit.

I find the Leaver obsession with negotiating terms most peculiar

I think most leavers were quite ready to leave without negotiation. It has been a remainer agenda that has driven three and a half years of negotiation. Now you try and turn tables. Rich that one in my opinion.

Meanwhile I see remainers still cannot accept democracy and are out of the streets in their organised dozens with rent a mob posters protesting against BJ as PM. Just like the democrats in the USA. Violence and clashes with the police from the ever so peace loving remainers it seems.

Welshwife - you seem in a hurry to have your list of demands delivered immediately. Well I'm afraid you'll have to show some patience. Rome wasn't built in a day you know

But the point here is this is another remainers wish list. The remain minded people seem to think they have some sort of entitlement to set the agenda always and now the leave minded have to jump to their agenda. They want leavers to do it for them....

Well I have news for you. Its not my wish list as a leaver. I see no reason to put your wishes about mine. I have waited three and a half years whilst remainers set their agenda and forced me to live with it . Well, now you can either wait until I have my wish list fulfilled first.

My list is simple. - Brexit first. Then maybe some electoral reform to stop the remain minded blocking parliament the way they did this time and to stop the the use of the courts for political purposes.

The biggest problem I find with the remain minded is that they seem to have a massive sense of entitlement accompanied by a deep sense that someone must do things for them. I suspect this is why they are so attached to the EU - a misguided belief the EU would give them their wishes ( not as they seem to have done anything for that list in my experience)

Having lost the EU prop, remain minded ones have decided that leavers must do things for them. Well how about this for an idea- get up and work toward some of those wishes you have for yourselves. That is what I have found I have had to do for most of my life. I see no reason why I have to carry you now after you have made my life miserable with three and a half years of squabbling and blocking

Sorry if you find my views offensive , but I am straight talking and speak as I find. I have found your views offensive in the past but I have never felt it necessary to try and prevent you expressing them.

april I do not find your views offensive. I find them daft.

Are you trying to say that if you are a remainer you work less hard than other people, strive less, are more likely to live off benefits than put in a hard days labour in the hospital ward or earn a precarious living in the zero hours gig economy.

How peculiar.

I realise only too well that it will take a long time to actually be out of the EU - not so many leavers that I have seen interviewed - they cannot understand why we were not out a couple of weeks after the referendum.

I would like to see the same number of new jobs created as those we have already lost to the EU or other places.

aprilrose: "you have made my life miserable with three and a half years of squabbling and blocking"

This sounds quite serious so perhaps you could let us know exactly how remainers have made your life miserable? Have you lost a business, has your health suffered, have you been abused?

My take on remaining (ie maintaining the status quo) is that unless there's a really good reason for changing something, don't change. Usually to make a substantial change, it requires a certain percentage (eg 60% of the vote or 45% of the actual electorate).
My personal feeling on Brexit vote and recent election is the massive amount of provable lying, sorry misspeaking.

For more than three years the polls have told us that the majority of UK voters want to Remain in the EU. This has been confirmed by a GE where the majority voted for parties which were committed to Remaining or to having a second referendum.

Democracy in the UK is dead, killed off by the FPTP voting system, and the huge financial clout of the Tory party and the tax-dodging billionaires who own our newspapers.

In spite of all their poisonous lying propaganda, the Tories won with a minority of votes. It is utterly sicking. No wonder so many of our best young people are queuing up to join the brexit brain drain.

But aprilrose, Johnson constantly voted against May's deal, so why are you blaming remainers? Also, if he's so great at sorting Brexit out, why did he chicken out of standing for leader three years ago? Perhaps it was because he realised that the Brexit he'd fought for was unworkable?