Will the remainers admit defeat?

I accepted a while ago we would end up leaving in some form or another. The Leavers have won the battle but they have yet to win the war. The withdrawal agreement will be ratified on the 31st January with its border down the Irish sea. The trade arrangements then start to be negotiated. I suspect most of that will be done behind closed doors so we will not know the terms until we are committed to them. It will not be my generation that will win the war but the young ones coming up behind us who did not vote because they were not old enough and who therefore cannot be bound by this 'once in a lifetime' decision. If they want to return to a closer arrangement with the EU in whatever form it then is, they will.

If we leave the EU, as looks likely, we may at some time in the future see the error of our ways and ask to be readmitted, but we will never again get such a good deal as we have now.

Dream on varian. Once we are properly out we won't want to go back in again. You may even agree ten years from now.

Chestnut, definitely NOT. We're going to be in a MESS with out Europe and we'll be Trumps lackey. Very sad days.

Is there any need to adopt such a condescending tone Chestnut? How on earth do you know that there won't be regret in a few years time about the disastrous decision that's been made? People who passionately believe in Europe and that we should have a place in it because we feel it in our hearts as well as our minds, will never agree that the decision to leave was in our best interests.

Yes, I'm a passionate remainer. And will feel regret and sadness about Brexit for as long as I live.

2019 General Election - the country voted to leave with a massive Conservative majority
But only 48% of vote was pro Brexit and 52% pro remain ( or 2nd ref) so reverse of the 2016 ref.

Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Strongly agree.

Where have you come up with those figures Atqui ?

Trumps lackey

I like those "statistics" that sound deranged when said out loud, lol!

JenniferEccles the figures are the number of votes cast as opposed to the number of seats won.

“The pro-referendum parties had the advantage in ultimately attracting more voters. They (Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens) won 52.1 per cent of the vote in Britain while the pro-Brexit forces (the Tories and the Brexit party) won a combined 46.8 per cent, with the remainder split between various independents.” Prospectmagazine.
I read this in an article the above publication , but did the maths myself before that.

but hey , that’s just my take on it .

Here’s another piece that was written in the magazine
And yet the tragedy remains that the election delivered a majority for the Conservatives only in terms of seats. 52 percent of the electorate—a number whose irony speaks for itself – voted for parties either supporting a referendum or an explicit Remain position. Just as voters support Remain in opinion polls, the British public did not reject that outcome on Thursday. And yet despite all that, Brexit is coming, fast and hard. It promises to be a disaster. And as a consequence of our many mistakes, we must simply watch it unfold.

But at least the uncertainty is over , so yes I have accepted it

Surely by now, if you are a granny who has paid any attention to politics, you must know that FPTP is an undemocratic electoral system which can deliver an elective dictatorship on the basis of a minority vote.

In answer to the OP’s question, judging by comments on this and other threads, NO.

Atqui - But only 48% of vote was pro Brexit and 52% pro remain ( or 2nd ref) so reverse of the 2016 ref.
Are you now saying that Tony Blair should not have been Prime Minister when he had a majority of only 43.2% of votes in 1997?

varian - .....you must know that FPTP is an undemocratic electoral system which can deliver an elective dictatorship on the basis of a minority vote.
And you have admitted on another thread, haven't you varian, that UKIP should have had 75 MPs in Parliament in 2015 instead of just one? That was according to your calculations. And you keep repeating that same mantra over and over.

I don't dispute that. If PR had led to UKIP MPs being elected they would soon have been shown to be the charlatans they are and we would not have had Farage continuing his lies under the name of another party.

Proportional Representation is democratic. A party gets the number of MPs elected in proportion to its votes. No Party can be given absolute power by a minority of voters as the Tories now have.

Our national tragedy and failure is the adversarial two party system so loved by the media which excludes third and fourth parties, especially those who are moderate and not extreme and are not supported either by the wealthy vested interests or the unions.

It all sounds lovely but in reality there would be endless squabbling as we have seen in the HoC this year. Nothing would get done because there would be so much disagreement.

I democratic countries many parties are represented in their parliaments and they have to co-operate for the good of the country, which is as it should be.

No minority can impose its will on the country in the way our brexitories seem to have done.

Why not? There are remainers who as the result of the referendum showed were in the minority, who have been attempting to impose their will on the country ever since the result was declared!

varian - If PR had led to UKIP MPs being elected they would soon have been shown to be the charlatans they are
Nobody knows what would have happened. You can take a guess just like anyone else, but stop posting speculation as if it were hard fact.