Dear Conservative Voters,

Grany he (or she) who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it.

There are different types of socialism btw.
Or did you not realise that?

Not liking the Tories is not rasism. The Tories have presided in over 10 years of austerity that the poorest have shouldered whilst the richest 1% have gotten even richer Tell me what's fair about that?

And will they change doubt it.

It is inciting hatred.

Strange posts for late at night grany


M0nica the OP is addressed to Conservative voters but apparently they are not welcome on the thread.
You and I did not vote Conservative so I, for one, am leaving this thread to the bitter losers.

We may not have done as well as we hoped but I am not filled with hate.

Callistemon I think you are right. Anyone who cannot see how praising chanting against any group at a football match is on the slippery slope to chanting racist slogans is past praying for.

I find comparing a football chant about hating tories to racism or the systematic oppression of a minority deeply problemati. The idea that people who would do so must be on a slippery slope to being racist is an utterly ridiculous statement. People are allowed to hate the tories, it is an expression of feelings about people who have caused untold harm and even death in the last few years. It doesn't oppress them, they are all quite well off and not worried about being denied a home or a job because of their ethnicity. Perhaps an education on racism and the struggle people have faced for generations is in order.

This thread was not made to be unkind or unfriendly but people should be allowed to express how they feel about our new government without people looking for ridiculous excuses to demonise them.

It is all hogwash! there are already stirrings from some MP's about paying for Social Care, the figures for the 'new ' Nurses and Police span 10 years and they have no idea how to retain the numbers they promised, and Brexit will take months and months if not a year or two to sort out. It was a campaign bolstered by lies and false information. I will be watching very closely and I WILL call out Conservative voters who I believe have sold this country and its people down the river.

Knickas I'm looking for any excuse to hang in here but I fear you are right, I feel they will just run with their new majority and trample everyone. I feel that some will never allow themselves to see it

Calling hating the Tories as something akin to racism is so wrong. People have a choice over who they vote for, they have no choice about the ethnic group they belong to. It's quite simple if you vote for a party with policies which demonise the poor and vulnerable and fall for the lies that party peddles then don't be surprised when others call you out.

Chanting and encouraging hatred is wrong regardless of who it is aimed at. At best it's immature and at worse disturbing.

So are we not to hate anything Smileless2012? Or be permitted to express that hate? Isn't that undemocratic?

I actually hate Boris Johnson and I would quite cheerfully tell him to his face.

I also hate Brussels sprouts and they have never done anything to hurt me or people I care about.

Growstuff why think you are having a break from me?
Just because I didn’t vote Labour doesn’t mean I can’t comment.
It’s the inability of LP members to see that Corbyn’s socialism
Isn’t wanted by the general population that has lead to this debacle.
Unless they become more moderate they will not win elections, it just has to be accepted.

I find it very interesting that since the referendum there have been a lot of posts about an increase in racism and hate crimes.

Those who voted leave have been blamed for this increase, the result giving the ill informed and ignorant who are racist 'permission' to express that hate. I agree that this type of behaviour is wrong.

Hating something isn't the same as hating someone or a group of people because of their faith or lack of it, the colour of their skin or their political beliefs.

"So are we not to hate anything? Or be permitted to express that hate? Isn't that undemocratic?" Would you stand by that comment trisher if the chants being referred too were steeped in racism or homophobia for example?

If you really believe that everyone has the democratic right to express their hatred, then anything goes does it?

You can hate who you like Starblaze although hatred is a corrosive thing and won’t do you any good.

*Starblaze I did not compare chanting against the Conservatives with being racist.

Let me say it simply for you. If you allow hate chants against anything at a football, it could be against cute kittens, it could be against semolina pudding, it could be a political party you do not like. That means that you are passing the message that it is quite acceptable for hate chanting to take place at football matches. It is a slippery slope. At the next match the hate Conservatives slogan could become 'kill Boris Johnson' or even 'kill Jeremy Corbyn', to be followed by 'hate all the jews' and pass gradually to truly disgusting racial chanting.

It is a slippery slope and anyone who can enthusiasticly support any hate chanting against anything is walking down the Fascist path.

I mean, I think we are taking the word a bit too far, hense the hating Brussels sprouts comparison.

I also hate that I have to walk to work in the rain, I hate arguments and I hate bananas...

Does not mean I am a hateful person lol!

lemongrove and MOnica.

Hate is a very powerful and emotive word, it should be used wisely and with caution and if it isn't, it shouldn't be used at all especially toward others.

The point. Beckett, is that people with insecure jobs and low incomes like myself are better served by a left wing government

Football chants are hardly a new thing. Stop being silly.

We have democracy, individual liberty, tolerance and respect. That literally means you have the right to express yourself as long as you are tolerant and respectful of others for their religion, ethnicity etc

Boris Johnson is not going to have his feelings hurted by a football chant.

Perhaps he would like to win those people over though?

We can all help with that by holding the conservatives accountable

Starblaze So you are condoning hate chanting and the slippery path to racism.

Do we? Where's the "democracy, individual liberty, tolerance and respect" when some think it's OK for there to be hate chants at a football match?

Smileless2012 I explained the difference between the condemnation of a political choice and condemning someone for something over which they have no choice which would of course include ethnicity, sexuality and gender. No one should be hated because of those things but if we are to tolerate all political choices then is fascism acceptable? Am I expected to keep quiet when someone blames immigrants? I'm sorry but if people don't like being chanted about because of their political beliefs thay have a choice, change how they think or ignore because they believe they are right. There are things you can change and things you can't. It's not a slippery slope it is knowing the difference.

Trisher So are we not to hate anything Smileless2012? Or be permitted to express that hate? Isn't that undemocratic?

You surprise me. I frequently see abuse & even threats of violence, directed at people with left-wing views, or who wanted to stay in the EU, on FB and Twitter. Is that ok too?

MOnica well said. Slippery slope indeed.

doesn't oppress them, they are all quite well off and not worried about being denied a home or a job because of their ethnicity.

When people talk about "hating Tories" the implicatiom is that they hate Tory voters. Who are NOT all rich.

There has been witch hunting of Tory voters and social media and within families. Momentum has stirred this "if they dont vote for us they are your enemy" culture of hate and fear.