Dear Conservative Voters,

So here we have:

an electorate which very narrowly voted to leave the EU

many new young voters who wish they could have voted to remain but were too young then to vote but, three years later, now have the franchise

a swathe of very old people who were accused of betraying their younger citizens' future by voting leave and would (apparently) soon die - and some may well have done and had no influence in this election.

Yet still a party promising another vote on a deal or a final say on whether or not to leave failed to get elected.

Something is very wrong in the Labour Party and they still can barely acknowledge that.

Starblaze to paraphrase your own words:

Although I know kind and decent Labour supporters, I feel that the bad elements have been in charge of the party for far too long.

And that is their opinion too and no, they were not committed Blairites either.

I mean, that's not really comparable to what I said but I get your point. I voted for policy not people. I've always been a moderate but apparently I'm a lefty Liberal if I'm not a Conservative voter *shrug

So I know corbyn lost a lot of moderates, and I get why. The policies were good though and I have a lot of worry about the coming years. When people here want to demonise me rather than soothe my concerns, that worry only grows.

Starblaze...posters are not here to ‘soothe your concerns’
Why should they be? Haven’t seen anything demonising you either ( or do you merely mean disagreeing with you?)
The Opposition in Parliament is there to hold the government to account, that’s what they are there for ( not GN posters) so all the ‘own it’ stuff is bizarre.

trisher nobody is saying anything about the Labour voters or members,
It’s those at the top, Corbyn McDonnell and Momentum ‘helpers,’who, by taking the Party way too far left have
alienated their core working class voters.Nobody believed in their policies and they particularly held Corbyn in contempt.
It was a car crash waiting to happen and was fairly obvious to many.

Starblaze I doubt anyone is demonising you, at least I cannot see anything personal about it. But choosing a governement is not just about policies - and I agree with you, on the whole Labour policies were quite good, but it is necessary to also look at the delivery mechanism, ie the leadership, and thats where people were sucking their teeth.

Government also means representing the country in international negotiations and treaties and we have to ask whether we would be proud to see the leader of a party treading the international stage and holding his own and standing up for his own country and being listened to with respect. Again lots of people had doubts about whether Corbyn was up to the job.

Boris is a bully and a liar, but in the cross-jostling, almost boxing ring situations that are part of international politics, that could be quite helpful. I would rather he was representing us in those situations than Corbyn. Sitting on your hands and refusing to play never got anyone anywhere.

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Well obviously people you saw something in Boris I have missed lemongrove.

The opposition is no longer in much of a position to challenge anyone so that now must fall on us. We need a more honest government and the only way we will get that is to fight for it.

I don't mind polite discussion, I'd be a fool to come here otherwise lol

Changed my comment, makes less sense now

@unojen_wood

The Tories are now saying they have no idea how to get the new nurses & that it will take 10 years anyway.
They have no idea hows to get the 1000's of new Doctors so no idea how these miraculous GP appointments will materialise.
Feel duped yet?

The new Parliamentary session has not begun yet so whoever is saying these things, if they are, has no authority to do so.

Are they your own words or someone else's grany?
It is not clear.

They monstered Corbyn for years & after he says he’ll resign the media produces this video basically eulogising how principled & decent he always has been. It’s like when Tony Benn was asked how he became a national treasure: “Because they think I’m harmless now”

twitter.com/marcusbarnett_/status/1206305780602953728?s=20

.Callistemon Conservative Nicky Morgan said it. It would take ten years

Any ‘monstering’ was well deserved.He should have stayed as a forever protesting back bencher, a thorn in the side of his own Party but small fry.
At last, they now have a chance in the LP for normality to be resumed, if they elect another very left wing MP and continue on that course then expect the same result at the next GE.
To learn from their mistakes, they must first accept them.

I struggle to understand what was monsterish about him. Too much trying to please everyone and unify people who don't want to be unified it seems to me.

The Nicky Morgan who is no longer an MP?

John Pilger
@johnpilger

Before the election, publicity for the ITV broadcast of my film, The Dirty War on the NHS, was subject to an embargo at the very time that the film's theme, the sell-off of the NHS, was at the forefront of British politics. The ITV broadcast is now on Tuesday 17 Dec, at 10.45pm.

The Pileus
@thepileus

Celtic fans singing "if you all hate the Tories clap your hands."

Wonderful to hear!

twitter.com/thepileus/status/1206335679795322881?s=20

So much hatred still around.

How sad.
And sad and sickening that you think it is wonderful

Labour are not going to be centre any more we are proud to be left wing, socialists are the party has grown hugely because of Jeremy Corbyn and the wonderful polices and the movement will continue to grow socialism will not be beaten.

Grany Words fail me, incitement to hate like this is where the racism, so prevalent in football starts.

Your comment was disgraceful.. I have reported it

Celtic fans singing "if you all hate the Tories clap your hands."

Wonderful to hear!

I would be ashamed to repeat these words - sad indeed

I've watched the NHS film. It was available online, although I think it's been pulled now. It doesn't really say anything that anybody who's been following the NHS didn't already know. It's not a very good film.

If you want to watch a film which accurately depicts life for so many in the gig economy, watch "Sorry We Missed You".

I thought we were having a break from citrus groves. Why anybody who will never vote Labour thinks that her opinion is relevant is beyond me.