Well done Lawrence Fox!

Just looking at a post from Wadesnan and agree you do have experience of what racism is about. Hopefully yourself and husband were strong enough to overcome it. Once again I will say the same thing if people have not been in the situation you have then they cannot understand how it feels. Yes someone saying your husband must be your pimp if he is black and you are white would be common also the old chestnut how he will have you hooked on drugs and dealing them as well is another the list could go on.
That did not happen to me but I have several good friends who were in that situation and most of them found it too much to deal with and split up so sad because a few of them had children and a white mother left with mixed race children is also a difficult area to be in.
One interesting thing I will bring up and maybe many people do not know I personally wanted to try to foster a child and the checks were done and everything okay and I was told the wait was quite long, as I knew there were many mixed race children in the care system I said I would not mind taking that on. I was told that was very complex as the problem was they did not know what to do with the mixed race children because they were neither one or the other and they had to know that if a mixed race child went into a family all it's cultural needs must be met (obviously the white side and the black side) I found this to be utterly abhorrent as all a child needs is shelter warmth food and tons of love also later I was told I did not fit the criteria as I had specified I would take a mixed race child. This is truthful of what happened to me and I think the social services do have a policy of institutionalized racism

No, it wasn't incredible at all. He is the second son of the heir to the throne. We don't know what the future holds and there is just a chance that he might be our king one day.
I think he should have borne that in mind when he decided to marry.
The royals have a habit of travelling together. It only takes a plane crash......

Yes, it is incredible to make such a comment today. The Royal family is so mixed and have always married foreigners- be they Greek, German, French, Spanish ... and on and on.

What difference would the nationality or ethnicity of a Royal or spouse if there was to be a plane crash??? And it seems that Harry and Meghan are not likely to travel with other Royals from now on.

As said, incredible comment

How would being British protect people from a plane crash. The royals fly everywhere.
Prince Philip isn't British! Dud the Queen make a mistake?

Cross post with Jura

Just pointing out that the possibility of Harry becoming King is quite remote. It is true to say we do not know what the future holds and nobody knows what could happen.

Ladymuck you say the Royals have a habit of travelling together. It only takes a plane crash.....
I have read many of the royalist books and I am certain that is why the Royals do NOT travel together as it is supposed to be a safety precaution should anything go wrong with plane etc, that everybody would not perish together and someone would always be on hand to take over the missing ones role.

I'm quite calm thanks suziewuzie, just trying to point out an alternative viewpoint to you and trisher, but as usual you come back shouting and sneering at anyone who holds a different opinion to you. Carry on sweetie, the rest of us will just smile and shrug our shoulders and metaphorically pat you on the head.

Am I allowed to metaphorically do something else with your head - how patronising can you be.

When did Trisher shout or sneer?

And before I log off, I will stick my foreign head out and say ladymuck's post was clearly racist.

Various studies have shown that when people with surnames that suggest they have non-white origins apply for jobs, even though their qualifications may be superior to other applicants, they have far less chance of being short-listed than people with typically British or European surnames. Estate agents have been recorded informing colleagues that certain landlords have specified non-white potential tenants should not be put forward for consideration. These are FACTS.

I don't think statements like these should be made without mentioning which studies, with information about who conducted them and with links if possible, and whether there were also studies which showed otherwise.

This is not to say I don't believe the claims but that I'd like to be able to check the evidence.

I'd be saying the same if told that "various studies" had shown the opposite of what those referred to are said to have shown.

Anyone care to answer my question at 13:27?

jura2 I didn't say trisher sneered did I? Read my post again, I said suziewuzie sneered. Which she did. And does frequently. Just giving her a patronizing taste of her own medicine. Why don't you try calling her out on it, instead of me?

If the Queen is going to come out supporting Andrew then the monarchy might have even more troubles ahead.

Incidentally there was an audience member on QT that same evening who said she didn’t believe any of the criticism aimed at MM had been racist. She described herself as mixed race which she was. Does that mean her opinion is better informed than LF’s?

Interesting question, tickingbird. Her opinion might be given more weight but there's no real reason why it should. The reason I think this is because your question reminds me of two Ugandan friends I had in Oxford, both black (different shades of black, iyswim), one of whom claimed to have suffered a great deal of racism in the UK, and the other none. I concluded eventually that their different personalities had more to do with their perceptions than anything else.

The problem with ‘ism’ argument, whether it sexism, racism, ageism etc., is that you almost daren’t say anything that is other than complimentary without being accused of it.

If you criticise a black striker for missing a penalty is it because he’s black or because he’s below par?

We have to be able to call out bad manners, language and behaviour without the accusations of ‘ism’.

Well the white strikers are unlikely to get bananas thrown at them if that's any help.

Obviously I was referring to normal folks watching not idiots - you can’t legislate for those.

Baggs Thank you for replying. I was interested in any response from a certain quarter as they dismiss LF’s opinions because he isn’t informed enough as a white male, indeed he’s classified as a toe rag and a prick by certain posters. A mixed raced female held a similar view. I wondered if any vile insults would be slung her way?

Galaxy I think the white strikers would prefer being hit by a banana than a bottle or a coin.

Do I think the mixed race woman's opinion carries more weight than LFs? of course I do. And LF is entitled to think exactly what he likes, what he isn't entitled to do (and nor is the mixed race woman) is to say for certain there was no racism involved.
As far as LF goes I would no more regard his opinion on racism as based on experience than I would consider his views about growing up on a council estate as being so. He's lived a life of privilege in a certain section of society and his views are defined by that.

Dear god. The point is white strickers arent getting that abuse are they. It's the black strickers who are consistently having things thrown at them, listening to monkey chants, having to have games stopped because of the abuse.

Galaxy. I'm not sure that you're well up on football.

Racist abuse of players is deplorable

However, all players get terrible abuse

Just google some of the chants

They also regularly get coins and bottles of unpleasant liquid thrown at them

All colours

Some football fans abuse players of opposing teams

Just a fact of life

You’re over-egging my cake here Galaxy! Football was just a way of illustrating the danger of criticism of a person of colour, age, gender for poor behaviour and having it turned into an ‘ism’. And neatly avoided answering my point.....

trisher your post from earlier

GrannyLaine Perhaps it would be helpful for you to actually watch the exchange between the two people on QT. Your transcript isn't actually 100% accurate I'm not sure where you got it from. There's a link to the clip earlier in this thread. I will believe that you have accidently and not deliberately tried to misrepresent what actually happened

I watched the show as it was broadcast and have watched it since. Does your condescending attitude know no bounds?

Many of the original Fabians and British socialists had privileged backgrounds, trisher. Do you think that prevented them from understanding enough to know that dreadful working conditions and poor pay had to be addressed for the improvement of societ?

Likewise Wilberforce and other philanthropists.