How will we measure the success of Brexit?

Mine too, Nezumi ?

Thank heavens I have a good local butcher who knows exactly where their meat comes from and that my DP & I are reasonably comfortably off and not dependent on cheap food.

Really? I thought we’re were to benefit to the tune of £350 million per week.

Success will be when no one even remembers why we were in the EU and we are just another independent country making all our own decisions-good and bad. It was never about whether people will benefit financially.

Listening to interviews on the radio this morning and one person said it seems there are people who would rather see UK fail than see Brexit succeed.

If Trump says we have to accept shite food in exchange for a trade deal my money is on shite food.

Have you got your head round the reason for not wanting chlorinated chicken yet, Hetty?

As for food imports from other countries, the UK has said loud and clear there will be no relaxation on our welfare or environmental standards.

Good god, David! You believe them?

Led by a PM who couldn't lie straight in bed, ministers making contradictory statements, ministers virtually forbidden to speak to the press, a declared intention of pursuing trade deals in secret with no parliamentary scrutiny (because Johnson's stooge majority voted to gag themselves)... Desperate to make fast deals because all our current 700+ EU ones fall in 11 months time so no time for standing by principles (which the tories don't possess anyway)

And you believe them? [Shakes head in utter disbelief]

As a vegetarian (for 50 years) almost vegan - but I do love honey - I just can't get my head around it. Why would poor people have to eat chicken - dirty or not? People have a choice. 'Clean' chicken just can't exist, can it?

I can't foresee people eating much meat in the future anyway (unless lab grown - that actually would be 'clean') as it won't be sustainable.

Referring back to the OP. There WILL be a border down the Irish Sea, passports and goods will be checked, having said that there will be agreements covering many products, particularly agricultural. It is in Ireland’s interest to get agreement quickly, their beef and dairy industries are highly geared to the UK.

As for food imports from other countries, the UK has said loud and clear there will be no relaxation on our welfare or environmental standards. Fisheries are uncertain, the UK will regain control of our waters and allocate permits to fish. Don’t expect many more UK boats, many are crewed now by migrants, the work is too hard for UK workers.

Exports to the EU will be under pressure, there will be losers.
Success or failure will be judged at the next election when most deals will have been done

US chicken British public and industry should boycott buying it

Do you ever read other people's posts, Tooting? The US intends to insist that, to get a deal, the UK agrees not to label the dirty chicken with its country of origin.

You can't boycott US chicken without this information .

Also, poor people (of which there is a rapidly growing number in the UK) don't have much of a choice. They have to buy the cheapest food they can get. So, dirty chicken for them, then...

Since my decision to vote remain in the referendum was not made on economic considerations, the economic success, or not, of Brexit will leave me unmoved.

A lot of the British public don’t even understand what the problem with it is Tooting. The tabloids aren’t going to explain.

I have said elsewhere that I wouldn’t mind Brexit if it meant it led to a sort of green local revolution - with Johnson in charge that isn’t going to happen easily, but maybe we can try and push that at a grassroots level.

There is a growing move to re-wild farms, so manage farms in a way that increases, supports wildlife & protects their habitat . Obviously food farmed in this way costs more, but you can often trace animals back to their individual farm. Maybe the best way to stick two fingers up to any lower standard of food production is to move to support these small farmers doing their bit to produce meat ethically.

Can I just point out when I mentioned chlorinated chicken I even said AND THE FOOD POISONING THAT GOES WITH IT to highlight that it’s not really about the chlorine.

Anyway now lots of info to show that I don’t feel the need to avoid swimming pools but would prefer to avoid hormones & increasing antibiotic resistance (along with food poisoning - tends to put a dampener on a day).

US chicken British public and industry should boycott buying it that would send a big message to US to improve their farming standards

* When we are treated with respect instead of contempt by the rest of the world*

Well if that’s your aim then voting in Johnson and Brexit isn’t a good first step.

A bit like Americans who think voting in Trump will MAGA.

I am actually laughing at how much that food packaging magazine article has missed the point.

But in a way he’s right - the question shouldn’t be ‘are you happy to eat chlorinated chicken’ it should be:

Are you happy to eat meat imported from the US which uses antibiotics & hormones that are banned in the EU and raises chickens in such filthy conditions the US food poisoning rates are significantly higher

I think I’ll be buying veggie burgers in McDonald’s....

Anyway let’s see. Johnson claims he isn’t going to be bullied into anything and that everyone is so desperate to trade with us we won’t need to scrape around for rubbish deals. So US meat should be firmly off the table,

I suspect they’ll do some pretend deal involving chlorine & dump the hormone-antibiotic filled higher-levels-of-hormones stuff on us.

Don’t blame me when you get gangrene! Sensible use of antibiotics by medical staff is almost pointless if they’re being poured into farm animals.

When we are treated with respect instead of contempt by the rest of the world.
I think we lost our identity when we joined the EU. We became just another little province of Brussels.
Now we need to get back our sense of being British and regain some self-respect.

Measure of success? That the People of the UK are all better off as a result. Improvements in standard of living, a thriving economy, a functional NHS, international security, reducton in poverty. People are tolerant and respectful of their differences.

I think it will be deemed to be working if Boris gets re-elected in five years time.

A quote from it:
The European Union imports very little U.S. meat, because that market is already effectively closed to US producers due to the EU standards already being higher than those here. An EU ban on hormone-treated beef enacted more than a decade ago essentially killed the market for U.S. cattle. (Ironically, Brexit may give American producers a way in

Oh article here about US farming www.forbes.com/sites/maisieganzler/2018/11/01/europes-move-on-antibiotic-use-in-livestock-leaves-u-s-in-the-dust-again/

It’s not actually about the chlorine - that’s shorthand for US food production. The additional cases of food poisoning are a real worry. However, in my opinion an even bigger concern is the use of large amounts of antibiotics in US farming. This is a problem for driving antibiotic resistance. We’re going to leave our grandchildren/great-grandchildren with limited antibiotics (& antibiotic resistance is something that has concerned me for years, long before Brexit - my middle son had his first antibiotic at 18 - we have always been very careful to only use them when necessary).

The good news I guess is that if they do force us to import that crap I will switch to largely vegetarian with some meat from somewhere like Farm Wilder which I can trace back to the individual farm.

Anyway importing meat full or hormones and antibiotics that causes much higher numbers of food poisoning cases doesn’t seem a positive step forwards to me.

If there are job losses, companies relocating, higher prices, poorer living standards, lower growth will Brexitlovers admit its a failure? No - they’ll blame remainers for not trying hard enough to make it a success.

Not only that Maizie. UK poultry farmers will have to lower their own standards to compete or go out of business.

Which successes do you think those who voted to remain will attempt to sabotage and how?

If there really are any "successes", nobody's going to try and sabotage them, but it depends what you consider a success.

What exactly is it hoped to achieve?