Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

Which bits of Phil Syrpis' blog are you challenging Urmstongran?

Same question, please Urm?

Iain Duncan Smith has recently said that Johnson and his Brexit team urgently need to find and appoint the best and most experienced lawyers and internation negotiators- as there is trouble ahead.

And he is right. However, it will be very hard to find those people- because their knowledge and experience mean that they are all Remainers- not by ideology, necessarily- but because they understand how weak the UK's position now is- and that we will never be able to get a 'cake and eat it à la Johnson deal'- and will never have the strong and influential position we had before. Just plain fact. No experience expert would agree to put themselves up to fail.

Ask Prof Duncan from Liverpool Uni- or Jason Hunter, and many others. They know.

I disagree with him here growstuff:

“Institutions which serve as ‘checks and balances’ against executive power are systematically undermined, because they might object to things he might want to do. It seems that we are dealing with a Prime Minister who is interested in power for power’s sake.”

The only way to get Brexit done is full steam ahead. Too many (Remain) mandarins in the BBC and the Civil Service want to maintain the status quo.

Boris needs to break a few eggs to make the Brexit omelette. This is groundbreaking stuff he is dealing with. There are too many naysayers in the background. The power Boris needs is so that he can deliver what he promised in the Tory manifesto!

I wonder why so many in the Civil Service and also experienced negotiators are back peddling? Do you think it is just ideology, or what their knowledge and experience tell them.

Break a few eggs - or break all the eggs, which are now all in one Cummings basket? Will your eggs get broken, those of your children and grandchildren. Break all the eggs and there will be no chicks to replace them ...

He promised what can't be done- and he has signed up to a Withdrawal Agreement on certain terms.

Sajid has the measure of him. Never thought I'd respect him as much as I do today

www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/230837668079002/

Cummings and goings - brilliant.

Cummings and goings - brilliant.. Not quite so funny after hearing the joke at least a few times in the last couple of weeks jura2.
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Why the gloom and doom still about these negotiations? Children & grandchildren, eggs and chickens not to be had?

All those negotiators have families too!

Best settle down and bring some popcorn.

And I disagree with total Urmstongran.

Undermining institutions which provide checks and balances are the bedrock of British democracy. Without a written constitution, it's how the country has become what it is with pragmatic solutions.

You really should read a book about early 1930s Germany.

"Full steam ahead" is schoolboy language. It really is not the only way to "get Brexit done". In fact, it's highly unlikely to produce any satisfactory conclusion.

Even Andrea Leadsom smiled at "Cummings and goings".

It boils down to the EU proposes whatever deal it sees fit and the UK is sovereign to refuse, that's it.

Nicely played * Urm* re your article from the Telegraph. It’s by Robbie Gibb - hardly a neutral source. Your posts really should come with a facts warning.

Urm - hmmm yes, and then?

oh I know the answer- wait and see, and we hold allllllllllllllllll the cards, yes?

Has Cummings got children and grand-children?

Checked- a son, 4 years old. So probably no grand-children then.

Poor child - what a genetic inheritance

Poor wife too- she can't be getting much support from her OH either

His wife deserves whatever her lot is - anyway, they must have a nanny

Why bring a four year away child and it’s mother into this thread?

-“away”no idea where that came from?

You’re right GG sorry, I shouldn’t have joined in.

Urmstongran said ''All those negotiators have families too!''

so I checked about Cummings as I did not know if he has 'a family'. So now I know. But you are right- keep family out of it.

We should have ignored Urm

It is frightening, Ug, that you, and others, whose only object is to 'get Brexit done' are completely unaware of the way our constitution works and the extreme danger of working to do away with the checks and balances within it. That is what leads to dictatorship.

If you don't understand the implications of that it is time you started doing some hard thinking and looking at Russia, prewar Germany and Italy and various other countries run by dictators. Some of them 'appear' to be democracies, but the institutions which are supposed to make them democratic have been, as one commentator has put it, 'hollowed out'. They're still there but have no function. This is exactly what Cummings is trying to achieve.

Marina Hyde in the Guardian writes:
Quote: ...page 48 of the Tory manifesto is where all the scary shit is. Voter ID, or voter suppression as it is known everywhere that has it. Which is not currently us, but Johnson wishes to import that democratic poison. Other lowlights? “We also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution, the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts; the functioning of the royal prerogative, the role of the House of Lords.” Oh. Oh dear. The Tories also promise to do something about the irksome business of judicial oversight of the government. End quote.

This is what really worries me. It is an insidious process. When we begin to notice it'll be too late.

Bloody Brexit has just turned the UK crazy.

Only half the UK. But what will it take to make them wake up and see the truth?