Senior RMT official suspended for saying he’d throw a party if Boris Johnson died

^There can only be two views on what the man said, either
disgust or agreement^
Actually there can be a third point of view that I don't particularly care about what was said. That I think there are far more important things to worry about and to protest about.
But for the right wing on GN it must be a time when focussing on this matter makes them feel better. Otherwise they might have to acknowledge their own part in the gradual destruction of the body we are now all applauding. The NHS.

Apologies for the format errors in my above post, I am not sure what happened there

Several forum members have stated they feel that Headlays outrageous statement may constitute a hate crime.

However, that may not be the situation, as what constitutes a hate crime is laid out below by the Crown Prosecution Service.

Section taken from the above begins here:-
In England and Wales the monitored strands of hate crime are:-
racially and religiously aggravated;
homophobic, biphobic and transphobic; and
disability hate crime.
racially and religiously aggravated;
homophobic, biphobic and transphobic; and
disability hate crime.

These strands are covered by legislation (sections 28-32 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and sections 145 and 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003) which allows prosecutors to apply for an uplift in sentence for those convicted of a hate crime.

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:

Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

Full link to the above can be found here.
www.cps.gov.uk/hate-crime

I do understand the point; many chief executives of huge companies etc don't even pretend to be compassionate or caring, just how wealthy they can become themselves.
There are, of course many exceptions and with such wealth some pursue philanthropy. Think Bill Gates.

However, I understand that Kandinsky sees the distinction, that those on the left such as this RMT leader try to claim they are caring and compassionate, try to claim the moral high ground but fail abysmally.

So, chief executives on millions of pounds per year knowing that persons they employ are on zero hours contractss or Gig Economy terms of working is compassion at his height, is it

I believe there are some double standards going on in this thread.

Some sections of the left have always been viciously unkind.
Which is weird because they’re supposed to be the more compassionate than ‘the right’

PGAgirl at 22.46 on 11.04.20
"in any socialist organisation, Labour Party, Unions , Russia,China it is always the nasty narcissistic people who rise to the top"

I think you'll find PGAgirl, that narcissistic people rise to the top in many organisations and political parties. I'll just mention Mr Trump and suggest you read the research on CEO's etc with narcissistic traits. It doesn't only happen on the left you know.

Whenever trisha is on one of her justification posts I remember her assertion and defence of protestors that if Extinction Rebellion supporters hadn't frequented McDonalds while others of their band blockaded a Burger King during their London protests they'd have gone hungry and thirsty. The fact that you can't go 20 yards in that part of London without tripping over a food outlet was apparently of no importance.
What this man said is simply unjustifiable on any level.

It is obsessive and a type of 'tunnel vision'.

I think they become arrogant PGAgirl and think they know better than those they represent, and which they think gives them the right to talk in this way.That’s what happens with narrow thinking ( tunnel vision) and putting ideology on a pedestal.Of course......they could also just be awful crass people.

Unfortunately it seems that in any Socialist Organisation, Labour Party, Unions, Russia, China, it is always the nasty and narcissistic people who rise to the top. It must be that in fighting to be top dog, they either lose their humanity on the way or never had it in the first place. This man has brought his Union into disrepute, it must affect the way he can negotiate for his members, he has lost all respect so should be dismissed as he cannot fulfil his roll.

Very true Anniebach.

There can only be two views on what the man said, either
disgust or agreement

I was dismayed to find that a cousin of late DH had shared a post from someone else who shared similar sentiments. Cannot bring myself to say anything to her.

" I don't want to offend you but if Bojo pops his clogs I'm throwing a party.'

"I hope the whole cabinet of Tory b*st*rds get it too.'

" I hope the whole cabinet and higher echelons of the Tory party have been touching various bits of him.

'I do however have genuine concern for all his women and children.'
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Seems like a Hate Crime to me.

He also said

“I hope the whole cabinet and higher echelons of the Tory party have been touching various bits of him.”

So I assume there's nothing wrong with that either, trisher?

I'd say it could be classed as a hate incident

RMT are being inundated with complaints from its members and the public

trisher.

'POGS he didn't advocate killing Johnson, he didn't say he wished he were dead. He simply said he would party if he was. So no crime of any nature.'
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' Simply said ' hmmm.

This is part of what constitutes a Hate Crime:-

'It doesn’t always include physical violence. Someone using offensive language towards you or harassing you because of who you are, or who they think you are, is also a crime. The same goes for someone posting abusive or offensive messages about you online.'

trisher

'I have used Nye Bevan's remarks before and been castigated for it'
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You certainly have at least you are consistent.

POGS he didn't advocate killing Johnson, he didn't say he wished he were dead. He simply said he would party if he was. So no crime of any nature.

May not be a crime; still obnoxious though!

There is a time for politics and there is a time to be human

True, although I think it is perfectly possible to have humanity and politics in the same room!!!

There's an online petition calling for the sacking of Steve Hedley if anyone wants to sign it.

Sorry trisher when you used the term vermin to describe Tory voters, you weren't paraphrasing Nye Bevan, they were your words. Own it.

Callistemon I am not stressed I have used Nye Bevan's remarks before and been castigated for it. It seems to me to fit the people who choose to put profit before people and who would quite happily remove all the protections which have underpinned our society since 1945. As far as I know I am still quite entitled to that opinion and able to express it. As for those who vote for them I have said before they either believe the same things and would destroy the welfare state or they have been misled and don't recognise the real agenda of the Tory party. Dictionary definition of Vermin- people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society.
"the vermin who ransacked her house"
POGS he didn't advocate killing Johnson, he didn't say he wished he were dead. He simply said he would party if he was. So no crime of any nature.

Why is not a ' hate crime'?

Thanks Grandad1943, that's an interesting slant on the incident. He's taken a risk but presumably one that he's reasonably confident he'll win. Appreciate your views, thanks.

He has brought the RMT into disrepute.
Whether or not it was posted as an official statement or not, the fact that this was posted at all in a personal post by a person in a powerful and official position links this to the Union.
He is stupid, no other words for it.

Anyone calling other people vermin is possibly becoming stressed by being in lockdown so could be excused for such inflammatory language.
We are all under strain.

An interesting insight * Grandad*