Will he resign 2

Totally agree Grandad1943
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Yes we (as usual) called it one hundred percent right.

We really just get together and form this political party we talked about last year, if only for the sake of Britain, the whole of Europe and the saving of America from Trump. ???

My post above was for Urmstongran.??

They may have appeared to have ridden out the storm, Grandad but in doing so they have alienated a great many of their voters (in addition to killing off a fair few of them through their incompetent handling of the coronavirus crisis) and fatally weakened ( perhaps literally fatally for more UK citizens) the authority of the government.

This could be their Iraq moment....

I think that people like Starmer realised from the start just how reliant Johnson is on Cummings and the fact that if Cummings falls, Johnson falls. Johnson simply cannot let Cummings go. That is why he has been content to let the media and U.K. voter do the work and weaken Johnson.

That has certainly happened and Johnson will never recover from what has happened to his reputation this week.

The voter now understands that in fact Johnson is pretty dim, that he lies, that contrary to what he sold to the working class in the north his is part of the elite as is his boss. That in fact he is totally amoral showing a willingnesS to do anything to hang onto his raft, even to the extent of gagging scientific officers from providing information at the press thing..

His reputation is in tatters and although he may recover some of it in the coming weeks he will never get back to his original popularity. The trust is entirely gone.

Good post Grandad. Its worried me that Cummings has had too much power for far too long. I’d hoped that Sajid Javid going would have brought the problems of Cummings power more to the fore but it was swept efficiently under the carpet. At least, hopefully, this debacle will mean he and the PM will tread a little more carefully for a while at least.

Boris will remain popular once Brexit gets done. It’ll have the bounce-back effect. Especially if there is no extension to the transition.

Sorry, off track.

Back to Cummings and the pandemic.

It is not over and it never will be, because the relationship between government and governed is an age-old conflict. Individually in this country we are free - nobody's slaves - but collectively we make rules to oil the wheels of liviong together in a crowded country.

"Lessons have been learnt" - but by the many apolitical and law-abiding citizens of the UK who believed (against all odds ) that they could trust our elected representatives to themselves abide honourably by the rules they devise, and to choose advisers who were equally honourable and open. The main lesson is that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance" and that we must use that vigilance to demand transparency and to examine where the rules come from and who is framing them.

Do you really think people are that stupid and lacking in any moral compass, Ug?

ug blimey what is it like in your cloud cuckoo land in Europe?

Post brexit people will finally that they have been lied to and taken as fools.

We are busy heading towards a no deal, and another massive hit to our economy on top the Severe economic due to the virus.

Johnson popularity is at rock bottom now, it will be out of sight post brexit.

I should have read that post first!, I think the drift is clear though

Urmstongran you are again one hundred percent correct in your post @08:20 today. This whole saga has no been all about saving Cummings from the "wolf pack", it has been as much about Johnson appearing as a strong and unmovable leader in the light of Britain finally withdrawing from all its connections with Europe at the end of this year.

The United Kinkdom will approach the above with as many as five or six million unemployed due to the Covid crisis. The message that Johnson wished to portray to the European Union trade negotiators, and many in his own party, is that no matter how Europe may perceive Britain as being in a weak position in those negotiations due to the foregoing, its government is not one for moving.

If Starmer could not concieve that situation until yesterday, then his powers of political judgment has to be very much open to question.

Maybe my optimism will be misplaced. I don’t think so though! Sorry to be such an irritating Pollyanna. I don’t post to wind you up.

I just agree with the belief that 9 times out of 10 our worst fears never materialise so life in the meantime is here to be enjoyed.

Maybe my optimism will be misplaced. I don’t think so though! Sorry to be such an irritating Pollyanna. I don’t post to wind you up.

I just agree with the belief that 9 times out of 10 our worst fears never materialise so life in the meantime is here to be enjoyed.

Oops!

Urmstongran: am I right in thinking that you had to stay in another country because of that countries lockdown policy. And, if so, what would have happened if you’d just decided to ignore the policy and travel home a la Cummings. And, if you had done so would it have morally been the right thing to do ?

It isn’t going away sack Cummings is still trending

I've just seen that too, Ww2 . I was about to post it here

It's very good.

There is also the fact that some of the Conservative MPs who have condemned Cummings are members of the 1922 Committee an organisaton which has consistently held the power to make and unmake Tory leaders. Many of them will see this as an opportunity to demonstrate where power still lies. The question being when will they choose to act? I think they will leave Johnson to shoulder responsibility for the virus and then drop him and his side kick. Jeremy Hunt is there waiting in the wings.

I believe that Johnson has (in his judgment) placed himself in a position of being seen as a very strong leader in the eyes of many in the electorate.

With a no-trade deal scenario with the European Union very much in prospect that perceived unshakeable leader image may play very well with many within the Tory Party and also many outside.

As for the nineteen twenty two committee, a no-deal scenario is certainly what many on that body wish for, so there will be no rocking of the boat from that quarter.

Very strong???

Did you see him at the LIason Committee- bumbling and jibbering, umable to answer an questions and looking around in a panic like a toddler who needs his nanny to hold his hand.

Can anyone do a link to the Washington Post article re Johnson and Cummings? We are the laughing stock of the world. Even a country with Trump as it's leader pities us.

www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2foutlook%2f2020%2f05%2f27%2fboris-johnson-dominic-cummings%2f

Thanks varian. Brilliant article, isn't it.

Grandad1943 , I hope that in your last post you were being deeply ironic.