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Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 17:31:13

Next one

GNHQ edit: Following on from previous thread linked to here: Will he resign?

Lucca Thu 28-May-20 18:54:41

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-coronavirus-dominic-cummings?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1590653236

Grannynannywanny Thu 28-May-20 19:28:06

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GrannySomerset Thu 28-May-20 19:29:44

Surely if we wanted to read The Guardian we would?

MissAdventure Thu 28-May-20 19:32:16

Only if members on here said it was ok. wink

Lucca Thu 28-May-20 19:48:46

Grannysomerset. I posted a link to what I thought was an Exceptionally well written article. Is that not allowed ?

merlotgran Thu 28-May-20 20:00:37

Very good article. Thank you, Lucca

Elegran Thu 28-May-20 20:41:02

If we want to read the article we can follow the link, GrannySomerset If we don't want to read the article we can ignore the link. Freedom of choice!

It happens to be in the Guardian - sometimes they do have good articles! Sometimes the Daily Mail does too.

gangy5 Thu 28-May-20 21:23:42

Time to give up- it's all over now !!

MissAdventure Thu 28-May-20 21:25:54

It's fine if others want to.
Not me though.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-May-20 22:38:49

Coming over the horizon are the enquiries and reports on Cummings and Johnson’s handling of the crises. It won’t make pretty reading.

I can remember this being talked about at the very beginning of the crises.

EXCLUSIVE: ITV News has obtained evidence that it was always the plan to discharge Covid-19 patients into care homes.

1,800 beds were block booked in care homes by the NHS and councils for that exact purpose.

...And they’re still being discharged.

MayBee70 Thu 28-May-20 23:53:27

I'm just about to watch the independent sage's utube talk; don't think I can do a link. I know the gist of it is that if children go back to school on 15th and not 1st it would halve the infection rate amongst children. I know most of them don't get seriously ill with it but it will have a knock on effect of infecting other members of their family. At least the so called scientific advisors are sticking to the 2 metre distancing rule and not reducing it so that pubs can open. I'll probably end up watching all the sage talks now I've found them. It's going to be a long night.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 29-May-20 00:09:54

I’m going to sleep. It is way past my bedtime. I’m a lark!

MayBee70 Fri 29-May-20 01:19:24

Independent sage Q& A is so different to the daily propaganda briefing. Raised so many questions about schools returning. Seems to me that the government are just talking a one size fits all approach whereas everything needs to be looked at in different areas. Something that was put to Matt Hancock the other day but he did, in fact ignore it. One concern I have, given that our local primary school will be using the village hall as a classroom is that of security. We’ve had some well weird people living in our village at times, including a paedophile shopkeeper. I do hope the staffing levels are good.

growstuff Fri 29-May-20 02:11:57

Maybee I've already posted the link on the thread about going back to school.

growstuff Fri 29-May-20 02:13:32

Here it is:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-5RzCDeEFc

growstuff Fri 29-May-20 02:21:01

Thanks for linking that article Lucca. Just in case anybody missed it, I'll post the link again:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-coronavirus-dominic-cummings?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1590653236

Lucca Fri 29-May-20 06:07:50

Thank you

Urmstongran Fri 29-May-20 06:18:54

Good morning.

Breaking news: Seems Dominic Cummings is set to quit in six months.

By then Brexit negotiations will have concluded (no danger of a soft Brexit). Takes the heat out the current situation. He’s going so most people will calm down now. No need for that petition- it’s pretty redundant now.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 29-May-20 06:30:26

ug 60000 dead people can’t move on.

I don’t think that you have thought through the tragic damage Cummings has inflicted on the country if ours.

He is still there.

vegansrock Fri 29-May-20 06:43:50

The damage has been done. We can see Cummings hand so far up Johnson’s backside It’s like he’s Harry Corbett and Johnson is Sooty. People won’t forget the lies and arrogance and the fact that we are being played by an unelected elite. Brexit is not of greater importance than thousands of lives.

Urmstongran Fri 29-May-20 06:46:45

Whitewave remember the petitions about Brexit? Over a million yet nothing happened. Recall the demos in London when coachloads of people joined the throng protesting in London in the good weather last summer? They didn’t achieve anything.

This is a Twitterati storm and a media shark fest. MP’s (some of whom hate DC anyway) are enjoying his discomfort and calling for his resignation. Other MP’s have joined in but cynically, I think they just want to stay on side with their more vociferous constituents - they do want to retain their seats after all at the next GE!

This will subside now. The heat has been taken out of the situation in my opinion.

Urmstongran Fri 29-May-20 06:51:41

Hyperbole. You’d think DC was personally responsible for all those deaths. He made an error of judgement (Barnard Castle). The police classed it as a minor infringement. I agree the optics weren’t good but sack him? Nah. Fine him if appropriate but all this?

I think it’ll fizzle out now he’s leaving anyway. Nothing to see here.

vegansrock Fri 29-May-20 06:53:50

Well the Pollyannas and wishful thinkers who think Johnson is the new messiah after Farage will believe we have all moved on. Not everyone will forget the revelations that have shocked many, and not necessarily just those who dislike Johnson and Cummings anyway. He’s upset many of his own supporters,

vegansrock Fri 29-May-20 06:55:06

The government and their lacklustre response back in January/February did cause thousands of deaths.

Grandad1943 Fri 29-May-20 07:32:43

Wide sections of the media are conceding this moring that Cummings and Johnson have now ridden out this storm. Therefore there are many strong lessons to be learned by from this debacle, with the first and foremost being that social outrage when demonstrated solely through the press and social media has no real power when practised without organised leadership.

Had leadership of the undoubted huge public anger been seen at the forefront of the Cummings crisis from the outset, then the outcome may have been very different.

For those who have spent very many hours on their laptops, tablets and phones making post after post on social media and forums such as this, that lesson must be that campaigning through organisations that have through their structures the ability to bring about change is the only way forward for the future.

What little support there was for all those of the above who have spent so much time trying to achieve the fall of Cummings through social media came as far too little and far too late.

For the press pack who thought they were all-powerful at the start of this crisis the outcome indeed must be very sobering.

Organisation through good leadership has always been the key to success and that must be practised in any campaign against the misuse of authority in the future.

Link to just one of the reports of Cummings and Johnson's success can be found here:-
news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-deployment-of-brute-force-appears-to-have-saved-dominic-cummings-11996533