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Can't believe it!

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phoenix Sat 30-May-20 16:23:47

No one has posted about George Floyd!

Disgraceful killing.

Are we unable to look beyond our own immediate locality? Have we stopped caring about anything beyond bloody Covid 19 and the fact we can't see our grandchildren?

Sorry, not my usual sort of post, will don my tin helmet and get behind the sofa.

Davidhs Mon 01-Jun-20 10:22:13

This is not murder so don’t fan the flames, it’s manslaughter, to be murder the police would have had to deliberately set out to kill him which was not the case.

As long as suspects resist arrest there will be cases like this, if I had unknowingly passed a forged banknote I would not have resisted arrest, nor would any others on Gransnet .

Oopsminty Mon 01-Jun-20 10:28:20

Davidhs

Dare I suggest you do a spot of research to see what actually happened because I don't think you're aware of the facts

Have you seen the 6 minute clip of what happened?

The people who were filming were asking the policeman to stop what he was doing.

George Floyd had became unresponsive and his nose was bleeding.

The people watching were being polite and almost begging him to get off

It was quite evident that he posed no threat whatsoever

But the policeman just kept kneeling on him

Until he was dead

You think that's OK?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 01-Jun-20 10:41:28

I totally deplore the actions of the police, pleased he has been charged for murder.

I have just watched footage online of an elderly white lady trying to protect her shop from a gang of black youths, they eventually turned on her beating her with a 6 foot plank of what looked like 2 by 4 wood.

These youths may be disenfranchised from society but they are not helping the situation or the memory of George Floyd.

Davidhs Mon 01-Jun-20 10:55:57

Yes Maizie but what you forgot was that only occasionally is am unarmed person killed by police the vast majority are armed and shooting, with the number of guns in the US that is not surprising.

Of course a higher proportion of blacks are likely to involved in criminality, because many more are deprived in many ways. It’s just the same in the U.K. disadvantaged minorities make up a high proportion of the prison population, poverty is far more important than race. Of course the activists play the race card and that starts a riot.

If that makes me a White Supremacist so be it.

CherryCezzy Mon 01-Jun-20 12:19:14

I know I'm a little behind with this thread but I just don't get the narrative of young black men, criminality, drug gangs or high on drugs.
George Floyd was a man in his 40s!
The age difference between the police officer and Mr Floyd was 2 years.

SueDonim Mon 01-Jun-20 12:30:34

Lynne54 your post is a disgrace. angry Please tell me exactly when the trial finding George Floyd guilty of passing a forged bank note took place? It was an alleged crime, which, as far as I know, not even in America warrants the death penalty.

You also must have seen a different film to many other people. The film I saw depicted George Floyd lying on the ground for some minutes, at first gasping words out and then not speaking or moving. At no point after that did he get up and get into a vehicle of his own volition.

sodapop Mon 01-Jun-20 12:54:29

About Floyd saying he couldn't breathe, obviously that was not meant literally. Anyone in that situation would not be saying Officer I'm having difficulty breathing with your knee on my neck. One would say as he did "I can't breathe"
Dreadful behaviour from men supposedly upholding the law.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 01-Jun-20 13:03:21

There is a toddler next door to me with his baby sibling.

They are happily and innocently playing in their garden paddling pool. Full of the wonder of life, let’s hope life is kind and good to them.
The toddler a dear child, very sensitive and already appears to have an empathy beyond his years.

They are black and there are posters on here who think the lesser of them because they are black.

We know that they will have obstacles to face that our white grandchildren will never have to face. That the sensitive child will face hate because his skin colour is different to mine.

Listening to their happy chatter I could weep.

rosecarmel Mon 01-Jun-20 13:46:34

David, when US police officers die, they're honored- The hundreds of people they kill yearly are not-

They're a group of humans who take an oath protect and serve the public- That's it-

But they consider themselves privileged, better than the citizens they've taken an oath to protect and they collectively use a variety of tactics to protect that status, one of which is to deflect accountability-

When sick people witness that power play dynamic, they aspire to enter the academy and become law enforcement officers- And do-

rosecarmel Mon 01-Jun-20 13:51:56

I think police needed to have balanced personalities- They need to be the type of people that you want to hug-

Whitewavemark2 Mon 01-Jun-20 13:53:42

There is a video on twitter showing police violence against black people.

You could easily replace it with a video of the SS and violence against Jews in Germany.

Furret Mon 01-Jun-20 15:06:41

Thank goodness that only a tiny minority on her show their latent racism. Very encouraging that so many condemn the murder of this young man. And yes, he is being charged with 3rd degree murder at the moment.

Furret Mon 01-Jun-20 15:38:00

3 ‘brothers’

This very short video says it all.

Daftbag1 Mon 01-Jun-20 16:09:27

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour, but it was just 2011 when WE had riots following alterations between young black youngsters and the police, and we have had examples of police using unacceptable force and aggression within minority communities. Never acceptable.

Rosina Mon 01-Jun-20 16:14:37

Utterly shocking, and let us hope that justice will play out the right way and give the victim's family some feeling of a suitable punishment having been meted out to a violent thug who should never have been allowed to have such power over others.
That said, I am at a complete loss to see how smashing up the city, stealing from innocent people, looting and burning cars and attacking others is helping, or is in any way going to get public opinion moving in the right way. What does this kind of reaction achieve?

JenniferEccles Mon 01-Jun-20 16:16:24

How about highlighting a video showing black violence to police officers?

Police target sectors of society which experience tells them are the most likely group to commit crimes.

If blacks are disproportionately targeted, you have your answer.

SueDonim Mon 01-Jun-20 16:32:39

A picture says a thousand words.

Oopsminty Mon 01-Jun-20 16:35:53

Police target sectors of society which experience tells them are the most likely group to commit crimes.

Oh Jennifer.

That's just awful

The police should not be 'targeting' any section of society!

Callistemon Mon 01-Jun-20 16:46:38

Than you for starting the thread phoenix.

It is being talked about on social media. Perhaps the American police thought everyone was so preoccupied with COVID19 that one more death of a black person would pass by unnoticed.
They are wrong because this was a deliberate killing and all for the sake of $20. It is institutionalised racism, rife in some states of America and it will continue until there is a change of Government.

JenniferEccles Mon 01-Jun-20 16:48:28

Well it’s inevitable that they would isn’t it?

If the police know that certain sectors of the population, (whether it be an age group or ethnic group) are more likely than others to commit crimes they are bound to check that group more thoroughly than others in, say, stop and search operations.

My son for instance, when he first passed his driving test and was out in his car in the evenings, would often be stopped by police asking to see his driving licence.

He wasn’t too happy about it but understood it was his age rather than anything else, so he accepted it !

Callistemon Mon 01-Jun-20 16:48:31

I'm inclined to agree that riots are not the answer, Rosina, it causes a Catch 22 situation.

SueDonim Mon 01-Jun-20 17:09:08

None of my children has ever been stopped by police while in their car, JenniferEccles. Maybe it was something else about your son that raised suspicions.

I actually cannot believe people here think it’s fine to target people simply because of their skin colour. angry

JenniferEccles Mon 01-Jun-20 17:19:25

Maybe there was SueDomin!!

He had never done anything wrong. I think it was just the fact he was a teenage lad out in his old banger! My girls were never stopped and still tease him about it. He’s now a perfectly respectable 40 year old with a family and mortgage!

JenniferEccles Mon 01-Jun-20 17:22:15

By the way I didn’t say it is right to target people according to their skin colour, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Dreadful for the majority of law abiding citizens of course.

rosecarmel Mon 01-Jun-20 17:51:00

Jennifer, African Americans are frequently pulled over for being African American- Once pulled over, the officer provokes with intimidation tactics, false accusations, excessive questioning and button pushing- They'll radio in that they need back up and 2 other cruisers show up- They know full well that what they are doing is purposeful, to attempt to make the driver frightened and then accuse them of suspicious behavior-

The same type of dynamic plays out on this site day in and day out- Someone purposely types something ignorant to provoke a response - Once a response is gotten back up shows up, all using the same tactics as cops and handled by the site admins in the same manner as any American headquarters or precinct chief-