www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/world/europe/harry-meghan-markle-racism.amp.html
Here is another article, one that even explains how calling her Me-ghan is an attempt to undermine her and compare her to the “angry black woman” meme we all know.
For those here, the dislike may not be racially motivated, but again, that doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.
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Meghan's Speech
(233 Posts)I would have applauded this speech had Meghan been an A list celebrity in her own right and not used her marriage to a member of the RF as a leg up on to the platform she now occupies.
Now she's back in LA where she always wanted to be, she's in the thick of massive racist issues involving violent demonstrations. It seems it was ever thus in the USA.
I couldn't help thinking back to her self pitying comments about racism in the UK. Now we're caught up in the turmoil caused by an act of racist violence in her own country where she fled to 'escape' her unfair treatment over here. 
And Kate ? Her mother was a air hostess ‘doors to manual’ in
the tabloids.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449071/William-horrified-sneers-Kates-mum.html
And from a coal mining family
www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/242392/Kate-Middleton-Princess-from-the-pit-family
Well I read both of those articles. The first illustrated vividly how the RF responded to any criticism of Kate ( did they contradict the DM about gang torn Compton?). The second was a piece praising her working class roots which glossed over an illegitimate child and other family secrets. They actually confirm the fact that the RF failed to support MM. and the press was allowed to print anything they chose to, and they chose racial slurs.
GrannyJay
The woman you so admire, Candace Owens, apparently derided the "hero worship" of George Floyd and said he was a criminal who put black people to shame.
My understanding is that he was found in possession of a counterfeit twenty dollar note, one of many reported to have been circulating in the neighbourhood. We do not know if he was a criminal - if you were found with a counterfeit twenty pound note would that mean you were party to the counterfeiting operation and distribution, or were aware the note was a fake?
Anyway, I find that quite irrelevant. Even if Floyd was known to the police as a habitual criminal and he was suspected of knowingly passing a counterfeit note, does that in any way justify his murder .... his neck being knelt on for 9 minutes, until he was dead, even when he and the crowd were calling out for the "torture" (for that is surely what it was) to stop?
I find Owens' and your comments appalling.
As to the original post about Meghan Markle, why was there such a different attitude displayed towards her, as compared to Kate Middleton, in much of the mainstream press:
Daily Mail:
"Not long to go! Pregnant Kate tenderly cradles her bump ......"
"Why can't Meghan Markle keep her hands off her bump? ...... Is it pride or vanity?"
"Kate's morning sickness cure? Prince William gifted with an avocado for pregnant Duchess."
"Meghan Markle's beloved avocado linked to human rights abuses and drought millenial shame."
(Note the way the two women are referred to - one in affectionate terms "Kate", the other not so chummy "Meghan Markle".)
Some might say there is nothing to suggest that this apparent underlying animosity was racially motivated - and no doubt some people just genuinely didn't take to her. However, as soon as the relationship between Harry and Meghan became more serious there certainly seemed to be a fixation on her ethnic and cultural origins, and many references to the 150 year gap that had elapsed between black people as slaves and Meghan Markle joining the royal family. An article in The Atlantic this year commented:
"This new valorization of Kate is racially inflected, because Britain’s most durable template of respectable womanhood—the “English rose”—is much less accessible to anyone foreign or dark-skinned.* The language used to indicate Meghan’s blackness has been noted by some writers, even as it fails to register with many white Britons: She is “exotic,” “urban,” “straight outta Compton.” The author Afua Hirsch told NPR that mixed-race people see in the coverage of Meghan “very colonial narratives about how we should be so grateful that we were allowed in.”
*Indeed, I recall someone on Gransnet referring, in I believe a discussion about the Harry/Meghan relationship, to Kate Middleton as a "real", or possibly "true" English Rose".
Anniebach
And Kate ? Her mother was a air hostess ‘doors to manual’ in
the tabloids.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449071/William-horrified-sneers-Kates-mum.html
And from a coal mining family
www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/242392/Kate-Middleton-Princess-from-the-pit-family
While those are unkind and prejudice, there is a difference from racism.
Also, what’s your point? We were discussing Meghan (whose name you categorically refuse to spell correctly, wether out if unkindness or prejudice I am unsure).
No one said Kate didn’t receive unkind press.
All the family and those who marry into the family get
unkind press .
Eloethan But The Atlantic from which you quote is an American journal, not British. Just saying ....
I think you would find that many people here in the UK saw Meghan as a breath of fresh air. We welcomed her. Frankly I never looked at her and saw her as a mixed race young woman or even thought about it. I don't tend to notice anybody's colouring.
And there you have the classic white person's response to racism. I don't notice anyone's skin colour. Well of course you do. Everyone does. But it's not about what you do or don't notice. It's about entrenched attitudes, it's about making remarks that imply black people are from a culture which is violent and unlawful, because of course they couldn't come from respectable areas could they? And if you truly welcomed her then you would respect her opinions and believe her when she made accusations of racism not insist that there isn't any. Because you simply don't know.
I predicted ten.... Nearly there
Eloethan,. Where in my post did I say admired? When I listened to the 18 minute clip she was angry and I felt she had every right to feel angry that people were hero worshipping a persistent offender. You have your opinion but please, I have mine too. Thank you
trisher And there you have the classic white person's response to racism. I don't notice anyone's skin colour.
But, trisher, you don't know what colour I am, do you, so you are jumping to conclusions by picking apart what I said.
Good point Sparkle
You take exception to my comment that you "so admire" this woman. You actually said in your post:
"what a intelligent young lady she is telling it as it is for many black lives in America and how disgusting the media has projected it to go along with the black communities using it to their advantage. All I can say about this beautiful young being is WOW."
That sounds very much like admiration to me.
If you think that anyone - even a "persistent offender" - deserves to be forcibly held down, with the full weight of an adult man deliberately applied to his neck by a man kneeling on it for 9 minutes, resulting in his death, then I think I have the right to express my feelings about that opinion.
Anniebach
All the family and those who marry into the family get
unkind press .
Unkind press
Not racist press
It’s shocking that you say you cared deeply for a doubt African priest, but yet you can’t see the racist comments made in front of you or in the press
Or, more likely, as I believe you to be an intelligent woman, you choose to ignore them, as it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Not very kind, or Christian you.
What ever the denials that continue on these Markle threads there is an underlying racism to them all. You can deny all you like, but it won’t wash, you are as guilty of racism as those thugs standing with placards or with their knee on someone’s neck.
No self reflection is ever evident, your hate and bile spews out like a fetid piece of meat. For those Christians amongst you the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
It is disgusting and I am ashamed that our generation, who grew up in the full knowlegdge of what “othering” eventually leads to should take part in such discussions.
And some not so underlying either.
Personally if there’s anyone who turns my stomach it’s Kate and I could perfectly understand if Meghan found her unbearably smug and holier-than-thou.
Er .. excuse me. WW2 How dare you issue your general insults.
And then the next post from Furret announces that Kate turns her stomach!!!! Would you believe it?
The hate and bile on this thread is coming from the far left,
What are you talking about anniebach, I think the Meghan threads are utterly awful, and I am not far left.
‘Turns my stomach’ - What a very strange phrase to use about someone doesn’t appear to have any enemies, hasn’t gone no contact with all her family apart from one, and seems a loving daughter, wife and mother!
I’m sure I’ve used it about paedophiles and perhaps I should be more understanding of their issues, but Catherine, nope, not seeing the connection.
It is not people on the "far left" who have started all these threads vilifying this couple, and in particular Meghan Markle. I think it is already quite clear that this woman is the object of a lot of hatred from some quarters of the population but the constant attacks on the character and motivation of someone who is no longer part of the British scene are unrelenting and obsessional.
eleothan I would also add evil
Eloethan, thanks for your contributions to this thread. Your comment at 09.22 today is so accurate.
I think racism us not all of it. I think some see her as the wrong type of woman, she doesnt do as she is told, I have always liked women like that.
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