Eat Out to Help Out.

WW I was referring to several posts that seem to want us to engage in a competition as to who is doing most for their country and outlining their sterling efforts. As fine as example of virtue signalling as you could wish

Whitewavemark2 what makes you think any of my comments are directed specifically at you? There are many contributors to this thread. Most are making valid points and expressing their opinions as we are all entitled to do. Please continue with your direct threat to report those of us who you assume are always referring to you - which we are not.

I suppose that the direct tax tables need adjusting to become more progressive and fair.

Personally I’m not one for stinging the wealthy, but I do like to think there is a high level of fairness.

Indirect taxes also need looking at and of course off shore money etc.

Oh! Come on suzie! Eating out is the new digging for victory! And if you're lucky enough to be in the photo op, you even get an (unmasked) Rishi Sunak playing at being a waiter!

suziewoozie

WW I was referring to several posts that seem to want us to engage in a competition as to who is doing most for their country and outlining their sterling efforts. As fine as example of virtue signalling as you could wish

Thank you for that.

Sad to think that you feel it necessary to make such comments.

In fact I wasn’t sure who they were directed to that is the point, and something I think you ought to try to avoid in future as such sweeping generalisations make everyone feel very uncomfortable and I’m sure you didn’t intend that.

Jane10

Whitewavemark2 what makes you think any of my comments are directed specifically at you? There are many contributors to this thread. Most are making valid points and expressing their opinions as we are all entitled to do. Please continue with your direct threat to report those of us who you assume are always referring to you - which we are not.

Please see my comments to suzi

Oh come on WW the virtue signalling by some posters on this thread was so in your face. Why was it necessary to criticise people who for their own good reasons do not want to go out to eat at the moment ( and by implication criticise those who can’t afford to or have no one to go with); Why was it necessary to clothe it in the language of patriotism? I’m not joining in this silly game.

I agree Ellianne

I have said for years that it was a mistake of the Labour government (remember them?!) to try to push so many young people into universities.

This resulted in the rise of the Micky Mouse degrees drummed up for the less academic students, and resulted in a shortage of lads applying for apprenticeships to train as plumbers, electricians etc.

A builder who does work for us has had a hell of a job trying to find a lad to train up.

He would provide a fantastic opportunity for a lad (or lass I suppose we had better say these days!) to eventually have his own business.

As a country we will always need builders and tradesmen.

JenniferEccles

I agree Ellianne

I have said for years that it was a mistake of the Labour government (remember them?!) to try to push so many young people into universities.

This resulted in the rise of the Micky Mouse degrees drummed up for the less academic students, and resulted in a shortage of lads applying for apprenticeships to train as plumbers, electricians etc.

A builder who does work for us has had a hell of a job trying to find a lad to train up.

He would provide a fantastic opportunity for a lad (or lass I suppose we had better say these days!) to eventually have his own business.

As a country we will always need builders and tradesmen.

It costs money though and is Sunak prepared to spend it?

suziewoozie

Oh come on WW the virtue signalling by some posters on this thread was so in your face. Why was it necessary to criticise people who for their own good reasons do not want to go out to eat at the moment ( and by implication criticise those who can’t afford to or have no one to go with); Why was it necessary to clothe it in the language of patriotism? I’m not joining in this silly game.

I’ve answered once but it disappeared so it may come up twice (bugger)

I absolutely agree with you, but I don’t think it is virtue signalling.

I think that those advocating eating out etc, genuinely believe that it will help the economy back on its feet, and I was trying to argue with that view and putting mine forward.

Then up pops yours and Janes post, which threw me into a state of embarrassment as I know I’m long winded and then I got cross.

So honestly banging off stuff like “virtue signalling” etc hasn’t helped all it has done is disrupt imo.

JenniferEccles

I agree Ellianne

I have said for years that it was a mistake of the Labour government (remember them?!) to try to push so many young people into universities.

This resulted in the rise of the Micky Mouse degrees drummed up for the less academic students, and resulted in a shortage of lads applying for apprenticeships to train as plumbers, electricians etc.

A builder who does work for us has had a hell of a job trying to find a lad to train up.

He would provide a fantastic opportunity for a lad (or lass I suppose we had better say these days!) to eventually have his own business.

As a country we will always need builders and tradesmen.

What about lasses?

I did make a point of saying ‘or lasses’growstuff’ !

Interestingly the heating engineer who serviced our boiler last Autumn was a woman.

She said she loved her job.

25Avalon

I’m not complaining as I probably won’t eat out in August anyway with DH still isolating and perforce me too. I have been buying some lovely frozen ready cook meals from Cook. Their prawn linguine is lovely and like their chicken and mushroom lasagne and venison lasagne doesn’t need anything else except a bottle of vino! Their coq au vin is pretty good too but you will need veg to go with it. They have very good reports and it’s about £8 for 2 portions. They also do single portions. It’s free delivery over £30 and I have 4 lovely meals on their way this a Friday. Don’t need to eat out. Anyone want my vouchers?

I expect the local foodbank would be grateful for them.

Grandad1943

In regard to your post @10:11 today, those without the disposable income to spend extra may often be those in low paid jobs in the hospitality industry.

Therefore those with the ability to spend extra, by going out and spending in pubs, restaurants and hotels may well preserve the jobs of those in that low paid work. For it will is the case that many businesses in that industry are facing financial failure at present.

When the above takes place those low paid workers face even worse hardship by way of unemployment and living on Universal Credit Benifits.

The above is the real truth of the situation.

It's not the whole truth by any means!

There are approximately 3 million self-employed people who have received absolutely nothing from the £190 billion, but will end up paying taxes to pay for those who can afford to eat out.

If the Chancellor really wanted to help the low paid working in the hospitality industry, he could have targeted financial support more effectively.

It's a "back of a fag packet" measure to make a good headline. It's a bit like offering a child a packet of sweets or a packet of seeds. Most children would take the sweets, but we're supposed to be adults and the Chancellor is supposed to be responsible for the whole population.

Am I losing the plot here?

There are no vouchers! From what I understood from his statement, pubs & restaurants sign up to the App and claim back the £10.

Lots of GN members donate to food banks and do voluntary work for various causes.

Cannot see the relevance regarding a discount up to the value of £10 per person on a meal out as opposed to the above?

I always find that assertions of virtual signalling amusing ?

Well here is an upbeat post. ?

We have just returned from a walk along the Clevedon seafront here in North Somerset. There were very many visiting that seafront and the takeaways seemed to be doing very brisk business with well-formed queues all socially distanced.

However, being somewhat overcast it was obvious that many had decided to go into the many pubs, cafes and restaurants along there who were "absolutely heaving".

That situation seems to have come about without the Chancellors incentive offers even starting.

In regards to jobs and education, one of my son inlaws was due to take his GCSEs in May this year. Based on the results he was hoping to go on to sixth form A levels and then perhaps University.

However, those GCSE exams were cancelled due to the Covid-19 situation and he has had little contact with his school since lockdown.

However, with the above taking place, he decided to abandon the plans to remain at school and applied to Weston College for a place on a vehicle technician course. They have now accepted him for that course unconditionally and to add to that he has now been accepted by one of the large heavy commercial vehicle service centres in Avonmouth for an apprenticeship should he pass one or two conditions they have laid out. However, he thinks that will be no problem.

He and all our family are "over the moon" for him and what he has already achieved.

In terms of that connecting to this thread, he is saying that several of his school mates have also now decided to try to obtain college courses linked to apprenticeships. Therefore perhaps this crisis will bring a change of outlook in young people which I feel would not be a wrong thing in the Britain of today.

Let’s be honest here those who did not vote Conservative will find fault with everything that this Chancellor announces.

Conservatives give 50 billion
Labour demand 51 billion
Lib/Dems who knows do they still exist?

growstuff

Grandad1943

In regard to your post @10:11 today, those without the disposable income to spend extra may often be those in low paid jobs in the hospitality industry.

Therefore those with the ability to spend extra, by going out and spending in pubs, restaurants and hotels may well preserve the jobs of those in that low paid work. For it will is the case that many businesses in that industry are facing financial failure at present.

When the above takes place those low paid workers face even worse hardship by way of unemployment and living on Universal Credit Benifits.

The above is the real truth of the situation.

It's not the whole truth by any means!

There are approximately 3 million self-employed people who have received absolutely nothing from the £190 billion, but will end up paying taxes to pay for those who can afford to eat out.

If the Chancellor really wanted to help the low paid working in the hospitality industry, he could have targeted financial support more effectively.

It's a "back of a fag packet" measure to make a good headline. It's a bit like offering a child a packet of sweets or a packet of seeds. Most children would take the sweets, but we're supposed to be adults and the Chancellor is supposed to be responsible for the whole population.

Absolutely!

It is rubbish economics

Riverwalk

Am I losing the plot here?

There are no vouchers! From what I understood from his statement, pubs & restaurants sign up to the App and claim back the £10.

No, you're not losing the plot. I know "vouchers" can't be given to foodbanks, but I wish the value of the discount could be transferred to the more needy.

Grandad much better than a degree in David Beckham Studies or any other Mickey Mouse course.

GrannyGravy13

Grandad much better than a degree in David Beckham Studies or any other Mickey Mouse course.

I always feel very uncomfortable rubbishing young people’s attainments.

We shall be using this scheme to support our two local pub restaurants, and one of them has just announced on our FB hub that they have signed up to the scheme. It is very important to put our own fears aside and support local business else we may wake up from our covid19 'coma' one day and find that there is nothing there. I am satisfied that the local place has put in place all the measures necessary, and we will likely use the 50% 'saved' to buy another bottle of wine with dinner! I appreciate that some are frightened, but there is strong evidence that fear of covid19 can be more harmful than the disease itself in terms of mental health. I haven't been anywhere other than food shopping, and that has only been the last 4 weeks, prior to that we had a family member to do it for us, and I shall not be rushing to the shops as I am not a recreational shopper anyway. But, going out to eat is one of the joys of life in my opinion, and now that I am able to do so I shall be booking a table.

When we were undergrads there wasn’t the choice there is now in any case.

What was your degree gg13? I bet it was just a big standard one like history or English. Nothing wrong with that, but a lot of degrees these days fit with future employment.

My GS is doing an electrical engineering degree which will ensure he is eminently employable in his chosen field.
Nursing degree is another, etc

Let’s be honest here those who did not vote Conservative will find fault with everything that this Chancellor announces as someone who has never voted Conservative, I have to say that of all the current govt, Sunak is the only one that is capable of doing the job he is supposed to do. He may not get it right all the time, but at least he doesn't bluster, fluster and downright lie like Johnson. Holding different political beliefs does not mean that I hate everything the Tories do, or conversely, like everything Labour proposes. This £10 scheme is not to subsidise lunch for the well off, it is to keep small business afloat and a slot of people in jobs, hopefully. I just wish that the chancellor had been in charge of awarding contracts to PPE manufacturers, ferry companies etc., unlike the fools and idiots who were given the job.