Brexit Re-booted

Oh thanks. Just read it.

So what is he doing exactly?

What's in no doubt is that Mr Abbott is a passionate believer in Brexit and an Anglophile, but also that he is a political red rag to the Left.

From what I've read about him Abbott should be a red rag to anybody, particularly to women.

Once again have to applaud your ability to approve of the more worthless members of the human race, Ug.

Why is he passionate about brexit if he’s Australian? Maybe it’s easy to be passionate about something if it isn’t actually going to affect you, your country or your children’s future?

At least half or three quarters of the people on this thread voted for dimwit Boris and Co so they are not entitled to complain about what they've got.

at least half or three quarters etc etc
You obviously don't know these people at all. They won't be happy at that accusation.

MaizieD

From what I've read about him Abbott should be a red rag to anybody, particularly to women.

Once again have to applaud your ability to approve of the more worthless members of the human race, Ug.

Some people:

It really is amazing how important straight bananas are!

Haven’t we got enough incompetents in this government without having to import more of them?

How low will some people stoop to achieve their goals?

vegansrock

Haven’t we got enough incompetents in this government without having to import more of them?

He'll feel right at home.

MaizieD

From what I've read about him Abbott should be a red rag to anybody, particularly to women.

Once again have to applaud your ability to approve of the more worthless members of the human race, Ug.

I'm actually more concerned about Daniel Hannan's appointment to the Board of Trade. Abbott's appointment seems to have been a distraction. Hannan is, in my opinion, toxic. He has spoken many times about his wish to see the NHS Americanised and I fear that's why he's been appointed.

Is that the same Daniel Hannan who assured us during the run up to the fraudulent referendum that "no-one is talking about leaving the single market"?

Luckily gay rights aren’t part of any trade negotiations.

Abbott’s sister is gay. She says her brother has always been very supportive of her.

What’s the fuss? He’s here for Brexit not LGBT and whatever issues.

What has brexit got to do with a failed Australian politician?

Is this what was meant by taking back control?

I know that Rupert Murdoch who made brexit happen by spinning poisonous lies to the readers of his papers is Australian, but does that mean that the UK is now a "vassal state" of Australia?

varian

Is that the same Daniel Hannan who assured us during the run up to the fraudulent referendum that "no-one is talking about leaving the single market"?

The very same! The one who has talked many times about the superiority of the American healthcare system and who will now have a role in negotiating trade deals.

Abbott is obnoxious, but he has little knowledge of trade deals. I believe we were all supposed worked up about him, while Hannan was sneaked in without much fanfare.

I believed that this year was going to be the year that countries all over the world fell over each other to sign up to trade agreements with an EU free Britain.

We would not be allowed under the withdrawal agreement to enact those new deals, but they would be "done and dusted" ready for the new worldwide ready Britain to begin trading without all the shackles of the terrible European Union.

However, what has happened. As far as I am aware not one new trade deal has been signed and Britain now contemplates tariffs on goods to and from the EU increasing costs and inefficiency, while no new trade with the rest of the world is anywhere near at hand.

I just get the feeling that Briîaing is coming out of this European withdraw with a very bad bargain unless something very big happens very rapidly.

Farage boasted that the EU would be finished without the U.K. The opposite seems to be happening. They are getting stronger, whilst the £ declines and we have the lowest productivity in the G7. The U.K. will have to side with Trump and accept being the US poodle. So much for sovereignty and independence.

Oh, I forgot, once Britain made it clear to the EU we were leaving all twenty-seven EU member states would clammer to ensure the European Commission signed any agreement Britain demanded.

Strange then however that there is absolutely no sign of the European Union "crumbling" in their long-held stance in regard to the UK leaving.

Indeed they seem far more advanced in regard to planning for a no-deal scenario than our government is even though we are the premier country affected.

I believed that this year was going to be the year that countries all over the world fell over each other to sign up to trade agreements with an EU free Britain.

I think that a great many Remain voters believed that, Grandad as reassurance that 'losing' wasn't going to be a total disaster. However, as soon as it started to look unlikely, Leave voters started assuring us that they had never believed it; that they always knew it was going to be difficult at first and that they were prepared for a bit of hardship. Silly us for thinking that the Leave campaigners might have been telling the truth..

Mind you, the Leavers also pooh poohed any suggestions of hardship as 'project fear', so it's been a bit confusing for us simple souls who find it hard to reconcile contradictory ideas...

The main sticking point at the moment seems to be the EU and it’s insistence of a level playing field in trade if we want a free trade deal.

The U.K. seems to want the ability to subsidise its various businesses where it wants, but of course that has always been a point in which the EU will not budge.
All EU countries do assist their businesses to a degree and whilst we were a fully paid up member we were one of the least generous to our businesses in the EU, far less generous than Germany or France, so one does wonder if the U.K. government has suddenly changed its mine.

I doubt it.

WTO rules also apply to government financial support.

I think that the U.K. is being a tad disingenuous over this whole issue.

Aren't they spinning it as insistence on a level playing field involves a loss of sovereignty for the UK? (Or, still controlled by Brussels...)

They're going to get a bit of a shock when it comes to negotiating with the US, China and other trade blocs...trade agreements always involve some loss of sovereignty...

MaizieD

Aren't they spinning it as insistence on a level playing field involves a loss of sovereignty for the UK? (Or, still controlled by Brussels...)

They're going to get a bit of a shock when it comes to negotiating with the US, China and other trade blocs...trade agreements always involve some loss of sovereignty...

Yes the same old same old sovereignty issue. Talk about flogging a dead horse.

As Johnson calls "no deal" a "good outcome" and plans to unpick legal obligations regarding Northern Ireland, he confirms what people have been saying all along, which is that he doesn't want any deal with the EU.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/06/five-weeks-clinch-brexit-deal-uk-move-boris-johnson-to-say

This isn't what people were told would happen in 2016. Any claim they knew what they were voting for is, quite clearly, nonsense.

How does reneging on an international agreement help in trying to reach international agreements?