Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

Haven’t we left the EU already?

lost track tbh.

ug oh you are a card, living in your happy land. You obviously haven’t seen the local news. People, including the Tory MP are incensed.

sussex that is not what I said was it? But post 1/1 will bring another whammy to our economy and undoubtedly leave U.K. will blame everything else but the rotten deal they have negotiated.

Brexiters know the truth but will never admit to it. It is a disaster heaped upon a disaster.

Kandinsky yes, but no deal - if any yet, still transition until 31/12

So basically the costs of the customs checks alone will be about 13bn a year in perpetuity, before we factor in all the infrastructure, staff and IT systems etc
Uncannily that's roughly what the Brexit campaign said we were 'wasting' by paying for EU membership. Kent being turned into a concrete lorry park costing ££££££s
Plus the latest bonkers advertising campaign is several weeks money promised to the NHS.
We were promised a great deal.
Anyone who knew they were voting for this definitely deluded.

The lorry park jobs will be parking attendants, custom clerks, burger van assistants, toilet cleaners, prostitutes and litter cleaners. I expect they will be queuing up in Ashworth for a chance for one of these jobs.

That sounds snobbish Framilode! Surely paid work as a clerk or car park attendant is decent enough work putting money in the bank for some? So many jobs will be lost to C-19 (all over Europe) that this new opportunity will be a godsend for some.

Some of us can distinctly recall Boris Johnson and Michael Gove reassuring the country back in 2016 that not only would the UK retain access to the single market after Brexit, but that we’d also end up with a better deal.

New “opportunity” ?

This is all rather nostalgic isn't it, thinking back to 'Project Fear' that is.
Remember the good old days when jolly Brexiters used to laugh at we Remainers, sorry, remoaners, for even contemplating the possibility of any downside to leaving? Oh what fun they had.
What was more, we were talking Britain down weren't we. Accusations of treason were bandied about. We hated our country, I never did understand that argument.
I also recall the changes as the withdrawl negotiations 'progressed' and it became obvious even to Brexiters that this wasn’t going well. Being poorer was what Leavers had voted for. Car workers knew that they would lose their jobs but some things were more important than a good, secure income. I believe it was a Tory MP in a safe seat who said that. Never mind car workers in Sunderland - jobs going as parking attendants in Kent which is becoming one big lorry park - contracts for building to Tory donors natch.We were also told every other country in Europe was envious of us - laughing at us more like. We really are becoming a corrupt banana republic.

Framilode's list isn't snobbish, it's realistic. Low paid, low status jobs. Probably contracted out to Serco, or one of these companies with no previous experience but with friends in high places which have been the recent beneficiaries of billions of pounds worth of public money. Companies paying the minimum to their workers and the maximum to their shareholders.

I'm sure the good people of Ashford are overjoyed at the prospect.

Let's not be too pessimistic now.

Don't forget all those lovely trade deals that Dr Liam Fox promised us with the USA and the BRICS countries - you know that dynamic trading block of Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa.

I wonder how those negotiations are going?

ug you clearly haven’t visited lorry parks either.

I get it now!! There you sit in your holiday home - nothing wrong with that- good on you I say.

But I think that what has happened is that you are losing touch with reality, particularly with what is happening and going to happen as a result of Brexit.

Very well I hear. Chlorinate chickens and hormonal beef coming soon to the British table. Yum yum!

With luck Trump will get booted out and the negotiations will have to begin again with a more enlightened USA government, who understand the Irish situation and will intervene to stop any potential future violence and uphold the international agreement that this government don’t seem to think matters.

But what actually does matter to this government apart from flouting rules and making loads of money?

Lower food and welfare standards
More expensive food from our closest market
An oven ready deal without any ingredients ( or an oven)

Do you know what? Some of you holy Joe’s berate on other threads about ‘entitled well offs’ at times for buying food from say Waitrose or using more expensive independent butchers saying how can people on UC afford that or ‘look at the shocking need for foodbanks’ etc and then, in the next breath, your up in arms about cheaper food being made available - chlorinated chicken anyone as opposed to organic - there’s no pleasing you really!

Ooooh, don't lose you rag, Ug Pollyanna didn't 'do' anger...

Do you actually understand why we object to chlorine washed chicken?

It might just have something to do with the reasons for chlorine washing, the fact that it doesn't remove the risk of bacterial infection and the official statistic of 1 in 6 Americans getting food poisoning each year, as opposed to 1 in 60 Brits with our higher food standards.

The fact is not that we don't care about the poor, we do care. We care that their poverty doesn't force them to buy food that could make them ill.

Whereas you, so far this morning, have managed 'let them have crap jobs and let them eat crap'.

Yep. ug crap jobs and crap food is the way to go. Can’t wait !!

I’ve not lost my rag. I very rarely do to be honest.
It’s funny isn’t it how holidaymakers eat USA washed chicken in Florida and have a great time.

I do agree that animal welfare is beyond awful in most countries. I wish I could fix it. But I can’t. We all pretty much have to content ourselves with being horrified.

Ditto slave labour in sweatshops.

So we have to accept poor welfare standards , maggots in orange juice etc as it will be "cheaper". We already have good quality cheap food - from the EU. I shop at Aldi - good quality, food- why should I want to pay more for my tins of Italian tomatoes, pasta , etc etc? Just to get mouldy food from thousands of miles away. It doesn't make any sense.

Whitewave
Don’t hold any great hopes for a better deal with a Democrat president it might reduce the tension with China, selling food more widely is a really important issue for the US not just Republicans. There are other issues, taxing US multinationals properly being contentious amongst others.

It’s funny isn’t it how holidaymakers eat USA washed chicken in Florida and have a great time

How do you know that none of them are affected? (I saw very graphic series of tweets from a guy who'd picked up a campylobacter infection from his US holiday. Not pleasant.)

Apart, of course, from the fact that they're not likely to be eating it very often over the course of 10 days or so holiday.

vegansrock

So we have to accept poor welfare standards , maggots in orange juice etc as it will be "cheaper". We already have good quality cheap food - from the EU. I shop at Aldi - good quality, food- why should I want to pay more for my tins of Italian tomatoes, pasta , etc etc? Just to get mouldy food from thousands of miles away. It doesn't make any sense.

Why would the food be mouldy or full of maggots just because it has come from far away?
Personally, I do try to buy British but if you check the label on, eg an avocado, it may have come from Peru.
I've just checked the label on the bag of limes ordered last week - Produce of Peru.

No maggots, it's not mouldy either.
I did have some very mouldy peaches which were from Spain last week, but I got an online refund.

Tomatoes? I would buy British but someone else is picking my shopping. From Morocco.
The working conditions of the pickers can hardly be worse than those we have seen in Spain, with its supposedly high EU standards.

The chlorinated chicken in itself is not the problem.

The EU maintains that chemical washes are a form of quick-fix covering up for lower treatment standards, including lower animal welfare standards.

Chlorine is used in the EU on fruit and vegetables

I'm no fan of American husbandry but around the world it's not great either

For example, the German slaughterhouse that had the outbreak of Covid employs 6000 people

Many have said the workers, mainly Eastern European , are working in horrendous conditions

So if we eat meat we have to accept the awful reality of what that entails

It's not just about US food standards. UK producers will be forced to lower their own standards or go out of business.

So those behind Brexit (and don't kid yourself it was the "people") will be able to afford Welsh lamb and premium products, while the rest of us eat crap and there will be even fewer jobs in British agriculture. And who needs decent wages when our crappy food is so cheap?

Memo to myself to go and wash my brain ... this was all just Project Fear after all!