Seems the jihadi bride Shamima Begum might be coming back to stand trial in the U.K.

Chewbacca thanks for the extract from the New Statesman article. The issue of friendship dominating to the exclusion of anything else, including families should be familiar to most of us. We may not have taken it to this extreme but how many of us were furious at being expected to conform to school uniform but conformed to the long straight hair, Levi's, big hoop ear ring, or whatever 'look' your friendship group aspired to.
Ellianne, I assume that if the police spoke to the students, they sought permission from parents to do so. I suppose the truth is, these were bright, competent girls who succeeded in convincing their families, teachers, social workers and police that they weren't about to follow the example set by Sharmeena Begum

Well thanks for nothing then Bethnal Green Academy.

‘Lessons have been learnt’ I daresay.
Not until the next time, at a different Academy.

Lucky Shamina eh?

I wonder what Shamima would be doing now if the group she was with were not defeated and she was not living in a camp?
Would she still be wanting to come back here and be full of remorse or would she be still enabling the rape of little girls half her age and other young women, sewing suicide vests for other children?

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I'm not sure she's "lucky^ Urmstongran although I know what you mean. I wouldn't want any of my loved ones to be in the situation that she's got herself into. Her life will never be the same again and I suspect that, both within her community and outside of it, she will be treated with suspicion and contempt.

Choices, people, choices.

We all make wrong choices sometimes.
But, in the main, we regret and learn from them.
I hope she will, but she has seen and experienced many horrors and seems emotionless.

I do worry that, having been groomed, indoctrinated, used and desensitised to murder, rape etc that she is now being used again as a test case by lawyers who may not care for her or her welfare but are using her to set a precedent.

'Choices, people, choices.' - how many 15 year olds do you know who have made the wrong choice?

Who was the Home Secretary who stripped her of her nationality - leaving her with none? Javid or Patel?

Javid.

I think a lot would depend on the " wrong choices " made, Callistemon ?

Anyone who's emotionless is a natural psychopath. This isn't through trauma that the woman's suffering, it's probably because things didn't work out as she'd hoped.
Only time will tell---and a very watchful eye.

I’m grateful both Javid &Patel are BAME.
Can you even imagine the comments if the decision had been taken by a Tory government Minister named ‘Smith’ or ‘Jones’?
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It was Javid

biba70

'Choices, people, choices.' - how many 15 year olds do you know who have made the wrong choice?

Who was the Home Secretary who stripped her of her nationality - leaving her with none? Javid or Patel?

Can you not remember?
It was Sajid Javid, well reported at the time and discussed at length on here.

I'm fairly sure that there's another young British woman, with 5 children, who is waiting to see if she can come back to the UK as well but I can't remember her name.

Yes I do remember now - I did think it was Javid and not Patel.

It was mentionned earlier that Javid and Shamina had similar backgrounds and up-bringing- and this is absolutely ridiculous. Shamina is a Bengladeshi from Bethnal Green, and a girl. Javid grew up in Bristol, and grew up in a family where education was valued and he and his brothers all did very well in their education and career (one sadly committed suicide due to pressure and depression). Javid is married to a British Anglican woman and was allowed to become a 'cultural' Muslim by his family. Totally different culture and childhood/youth. Just because the are both 'brown' does not mean they have grown up in similar circumstances.

British Law, for British people - either you do, or you don't- you can't pick and choose. As a young friend said today 'So I don’t know if Shamima Begum was groomed and indoctrinated, or if, at the age of 15, she really was a blood thirsty murder enthusiast. I’m happy to let the courts decide what she’s guilty of, or not.
What I do know is she is a British citizen, she was a child at the time in question, and you can’t just make the law up as you bloody well choose to fit your agenda.
I also know people would be reacting very differently if she was white.'

Well said biba70.

I also know people would be reacting very differently if she was white

No, I'm sorry biba70, you don't know that at all and statements of this kind are baseless and lazy. As stated upthread, when this was raised earlier; there was just as much outrage and condemnation about Sally Jones, Lisa Smith, Mary Kaya and Tooba Gondal. Jack Letts is a white male ISIS supporter who has also had his citizenship revoked, no one, as far as I'm aware, has condemned that have they? It's not the colour, age, gender, religion or ethnicity of ISIS supporters like Shamima Begum that has angered people; it's her actions, lack of remorse, lack of recognition for what she has done and her justification for what she has seen, done and enabled to be done. To try and hinge all of that on "Oh it's just because she's not white" minimises what she has done and it's affect on everyone.

She was a 15 year old child when she left. I'm quite alarmed at some of the responses - and wonder how people would feel if their own daughter were in that situation.

Would we hear more about her being led astray, indoctrinated and traumatised?

I'd expect a fair trial, regardless, for any British citizen, here in the UK.

And if it's decided that she has committed any crime, and that will be very difficult to prove, I'm sure she'll get a fair trial. Just as Lisa Smith, Mary Kaya and Tooba Gondal did.

Are moves afoot to bring Jack Letts back to fight his case?

Perhaps people you know may be reacting differently, biba but you have no right to accuse posters on here of racist bile.

Posters have spoken of other terrorists who wish to come back to the UK (as they to other countries too) with the same worries and concerns whatever race they are.

They all have one thing in common, a belief in Islamic fundamentalism. Most Muslims are not fundamentalists, just as most Christians are not fundamentalists either.

I think you have missed the point entirely.

Iam64

Well said biba70.

No, not well said at all.

biba misses the point entirely.

I think Jack Letts had dual British/Canadian citizenship. And he has a supportive family. Plus the position of a young male is very different from that of a young female in the Middle East.