Boris is up in Scotland today ???????

QuizQueen.....he’s English! A crime in itself for some it would seem.?

Because it’s the SNP supporters who shout loudest, it often seems that all all Scots support wee Nichola.....but they don’t!
As Jane10 says don’t forget the silent majority who would rather stay linked to the UK.I can’t see Johnson allowing another referendum any time soon in any case.

I don’t think a whistle stop photo op to Orkney is “visiting Scotland” .

urmstongran Orkney isn’t in the Outer Hebrides.

Quite apart from the independence issue he has 'earned' his dislike through lying, prevaricating, blustering, arrogance etc etc etc.
What I find distasteful and unacceptable is that his dyed-in-the-wool supporters do accept such low standards while taking the high moral ground!

Do they mcem? What high moral ground is that I wonder?

Actually, I don’t think David Cameron was popular in Scotland either, when was the last English Conservative PM ever popular there?

vegansrock

I don’t think a whistle stop photo op to Orkney is “visiting Scotland” .

What is it called then? It’s not visiting Patagonia is it?

Oooooh! Just a tad touchy and defensive?

lemongrove

Do they mcem? What high moral ground is that I wonder?

I was wondering that, too.

Borisovich's supporters have no moral high ground to take.

It is called making sure that there is no chance of bumping into wee Nicola by visiting the second furthest-away island from Edinburgh well off the North coast of Scotland, flying in and out so that you don't even have to break your journey to drop in and say hello, and not even telling her in advance that you will be there. I think he is feart.

“The man can't do anything right in some people's eyes. “

The man can’t do anything wrong in some people’s eyes.

In Orkney, when they cross the water to Wick or Scrabster, they call that visiting Scotland.

mcem......simply wondering what on earth you are talking about.....what do ‘Boris supporters’ and ‘moral highgrounds’ have to do with Johnson’s visit to Scotland?
You surely weren’t just ‘having a pop’ were you??
The fact is, no English PM, and a Conservative one at that, would ever be welcome in Scotland, particularly now that the SNP have stirred up so much anti-English feeling.

Elegran

It is called making sure that there is no chance of bumping into wee Nicola by visiting the second furthest-away island from Edinburgh well off the North coast of Scotland, flying in and out so that you don't even have to break your journey to drop in and say hello, and not even telling her in advance that you will be there. I think he is feart.

Your last sentence ......? I doubt that very much.He wasn’t there to meet her, not everything revolves around her after all.He hardly needs her permission to visit anywhere in Scotland.

Lemongrove He doesn't need her permission, but if he is visiting part of a country of which she is First Minister and is planning to make political comments, then basic good manners demand that he drops her a line to say "By the way, I will be in Orkney on Thursday for a while. Sorry, but a busy schedule prevents me stopping off in Edinburgh to say hello." A note from one leader to another. A real leader would know that instinctively.

He is deliberately demonstrating that HE has precedence over her and can walk in unannounced whenever he wants to, like the bailiffs with a court order in their hand. It is a warning shot across the bows of devolution.

I think Johnson would be very happy for Scotland to gain independence. It ensures a Conservative majority in England in perpetuity. Of course, he doesn't want to be seen as the person who finally broke up the union, so he needs to be an actor in some kind of charade to blame somebody else. He won't even need to invent a new slogan - he can reuse "will of the people".

Some English people have done quite well over the years of stirring up Scottish feeling against them.

or he could try "will of Putin"

lemongrove

Actually, I don’t think David Cameron was popular in Scotland either, when was the last English Conservative PM ever popular there?

Alec Douglas-Home was of Scottish ancestry and was an MP for a Scottish seat.

The Conservatives won more Scottish seats in the 1955 general election than any other party.

Well, you did ask!

varian

or he could try "will of Putin"

Maybe it was a typo. Putin and people both begin with "p".

lemongrove

Because it’s the SNP supporters who shout loudest, it often seems that all all Scots support wee Nichola.....but they don’t!
As Jane10 says don’t forget the silent majority who would rather stay linked to the UK.I can’t see Johnson allowing another referendum any time soon in any case.

Really? It would be to his political advantage to allow a second referendum, especially as the outcome is quite likely to be independence.

Really growstuff?? What’s in it for them to do so? Who are
These ‘some English people’?

Elegran I think the visit to Orkney went well enough as things are, but had Johnson and his team told Sturgeon beforehand then there would likely have been a rent-a-mob
Waiting there for his helicopter to arrive.It was a political PR decision not to inform her, nothing to do with manners.

growstuff how so? Political advantage? He has four and a half years to go as PM and which PM wants to be the one in power hosting the break up of a long union with Scotland.
It would be more to his advantage to allow things to coast and settle down, what with the virus and Brexit, and allow his successor ( possibly Keir Starmer!) take the flak.

growstuff

lemongrove

Actually, I don’t think David Cameron was popular in Scotland either, when was the last English Conservative PM ever popular there?

Alec Douglas-Home was of Scottish ancestry and was an MP for a Scottish seat.

The Conservatives won more Scottish seats in the 1955 general election than any other party.

Well, you did ask!

Of Scottish ancestry and a seat in Scotland, hmmm, hardly an all English PM then.....and a very long time ago.
He may not be as warmly welcomed if he were PM now!?