Response to new covid measures - old v young; left v right

As far as masks, it’s the 30s-40s with their children who I see properly wearing their masks

It’s the over 60s who can’t seem to manage it around me. So much whinging every time I end up in a shop

Most of the Black Lives Matter protesters would tend to the left, wouldn't they?

They believed their ideology was worth the risk. An anti masker etc believes their ideology is worth the risk.

If it comes down to standing up for what you believe in there's no difference.

So what's the ideology of an anti-masker?

growstuff I only know of one anti-vaxer and they are definitely on the left.

Anne Widdicombe is an ex MP MEP desperate for publicity, not a representative for all right of centre electorate.

There are people on either side who think they are more important than the rest of society.

growstuff
You’re right in that I’ve been taking care of my grandchildren as there is no longer any key worker childcare available. We have seen our family, in our gardens, or one family at a time in the house. As per guidelines. We wear masks in shops or buildings such as the dentist or hospital, also when I went to the hairdresser. We have not been to any large groups such as raves, riots, celebrations of any kind. We have not used any public transport. We have not been to any pubs or restaurants. I don’t think we’ve flouted guidelines at all, nor have broken any laws. The law, as opposed to guidelines, allows for outdoor gatherings of up to thirty people. I have once only been in a group, out of doors, with thirteen people, all members of my own family who we see individually anyway, and socially distanced. I queried the the rules re thirteen people with my son who was having a family barbecue. He is a lawyer, he knows the law. He said that he has carefully researched the law as he cannot afford to break it. He told me that groups of up to thirty people are allowed to meet out of doors. He told me that the guidelines say they should be socially distanced, unless living in the same household. We went to his barbecue. We were outside. The garden is huge. Everyone was socially distancing. The children had a wonderful time running and playing all around the garden. It was not against the law and we stayed within guidelines.

growstuff

So what's the ideology of an anti-masker?

I don't know.

Posters seem to have ignored my post above, yesterday 22:32:55, because, presumably, it doesn't fit in with the ideology.

On the other hand, eight cars in a driveway, and still there the next day, indicating overnight stays, is most definitely flouting the guidelines. Anne Widdecombe, or anybody else, not wearing a mask in shops, is flouting guidelines, and she could be liable for a fine of £100.

Unless she shops in Wales, maddyone.

Welsh Government latest guidance:

The widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community is not supported by high quality scientific evidence.

I repeat, the Welsh Government is Labour.
Presumably, then, to the left of centre.

I shall not be going shopping.
If I need to go anywhere in an enclosed environment I shall wear a mask.

I think the pronouncements in the OP are built on sifting sand.

Where is the evidence that BAME protestors in the streets, not self-distancing, were right wing?

The only common fact stated in the OP about the latest protestors is that they are young. Other groups who protest abut liberties will jump on this band wagon as these groups always do.

Shifting

Thank you autocorrect

The ideology of an anti masker?

Presumably anarchy, in the original meaning of the word

Callistemon
Of course, I forgot Wales is different. Well, I guess she’s free to choose if she’s in Wales. I’m not sure about Scotland. Where’s paddyanne when I need her?

My choice, even before masks were made obligatory, is to wear one inside any building. I’ve been to the dentist, the hand therapist in the hospital, the hairdresser, and to Waitrose, Lidl, and Savers, oh and one trip to M+S to buy a baby gift, and I always wore a mask. Seems like good sense to me.

Incidentally, I’ve only started going out anywhere in the last five weeks or so. Previously I only went for walks in the park and otherwise stayed at home. We live in a low incidence of infection area. Our R rate is below one.

Callistemon I have been observing people of all ages wearing masks when I have been in my High Road the last few weeks.

The most popular way for men seems to be as a chin guard.

I have seen young girls/women pushing them up to hold their hair back (like you would with sunglasses)

I have seen a lot with their noses poking out.

The majority are in people’s hands and hurriedly put on as they enter the shop, then removed on exit, held in hand nylon the next shop and repeated.

UNLESS A MASK IS PUT ON AND REMOVED CORRECTLY, FITS CORRECTLY, NOT TOUCHED/FIDDLED WITH WHILST WORN CORRECTLY. THEY ARE NEXT TO USELESS.

Apologies for the shouty letters but the above is true,

Maddyone.

The guidelines say quite clearly groups of 6 people from different households are allowed to meet outside.

I can't find anywhere that says 30 and I've signed up for all the government communications.

I don't expect the children were social distancing at your barbecue as they ran around the garden.

Oh everyone's just doing what they want. It not about law and rules is it.
If you mix, you'll spread. That's it.

I went shopping in Paisley yesterday for the first time in since lock down was introduced and it was almost deserted. Admittedly it was hot and those that were out, like me took every opportunity to rip their face masks off as soon as they could. It was horrendous. I am with the Welsh government after weighing up both sides of the argument. The masks I believe are holding back the recovery of retail. I also went into a pub and then chose to sit outside until I realised that most folks were vaping, so I left!

Illte
You are right, the guidelines say up to six people outside, but the law says up to thirty people outside. My son is a barrister, he read all the guidelines and the law. The number thirty comes from allowing people to have thirty guests at a wedding or funeral, including an outdoor reception. However the law does not specify only a wedding. I know this to be fact because I queried it with my son, who works at a top Set of Chambers In London. At first I didn’t believe him, but he showed me the relevant legislation.
I understand this is confusing, it confused me. However it is the case. In my garden, thirty people wouldn’t fit with social distancing. In his garden, thirty people could be nowhere near each other. In any case, we were thirteen people.

I guess she's free to choose if she is in Wales
I'm manning (or womanning) the border and will send her back pronto if she attempts to breach Offa's Dyke.

Ah, maddyone, a technicality!

However, finding a way around the rules won't stop the spread.

I just don't understand why people can't get it.

Callistemon

Illte
You’re right, a technicality.
However, as I said, a huge garden, social distancing, and family members who have all been together in groups of two families for the last few weeks. No new persons were introduced. Two of the families were working from home. We don’t work, we’re retired. My elderly mother lives alone, and doesn’t work. Very minimal risk, to us, or anyone else. I would not expose my 92 year old mother to risks. But she does need some social life, she saw no one for twelve weeks. It was beneficial for her to see her family.

And I do get it. That’s why I take great care. I wouldn’t go to a gathering of 13 or 30 people who I didn’t know, and didn’t know the risk. That’s why I don’t go in pubs or restaurants. Or to protest marches, or markets, or cinemas.

Responding to your post, Callistomen

Chief Medical Officer of Wales:

"very little has changed in the science .... which pointed to them having little benefit"
"The evidence for making face masks compulsory is quite weak ..... although there might be a small benefit".

PS the Welsh Government is Labour, so presumably left.

If the Chief Medical Officer of Wales is appointed for his political beliefs rather than his medical expertise, I'd agree with what you are implying.

Perhaps you could clarify?

He is appointed by the Labour Welsh Government. I have no idea what his political beliefs are but one would presume that he is not a far-right activist, a libertarian about to take to the streets and protest about the compulsory wearing of face masks.

His advice is at odds with that in England.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff I only know of one anti-vaxer and they are definitely on the left.

Anne Widdicombe is an ex MP MEP desperate for publicity, not a representative for all right of centre electorate.

There are people on either side who think they are more important than the rest of society.

Absolutely! It has nothing to do with right, left or centre or no politics at all, simply selfish people demanding to be soecial cases.

Special!

Sorry if I’m being thick, but could someone explain the
Antivax standpoint for me ? What is the objection ? This is a genuine question.

I did ask Quizqueen but sadly no answer ...yet.