A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

Agreed, Grandad
And Anniebach.

As for flouncing - what a silly word and should not be used except jokingly.
Who knows why someone may need a temporary break from GN?

This is not how democracy works.

I have been reading that Tories will accept all kinds of weird behaviour, which is odd given how judgemental they tend to be, but what they won’t accept is incompetence.

Back benchers and senior Tories are getting very twitchy at the incompetence over the past 9 months. It won’t be long before Johnson is on notice if he doesn’t get his act together.

If he fails in this regard, there will be challenges to his leadership.

What a pity that Tories went for buffoonery over competence and chose the clown instead of the manager (Hunt)

Just wishful thinking by some to think that the Conservatives are going to get rid of Boris Johnson, it was because of Boris that they won a stomping 80 majority ?

Forgive me but I happen to think this is particularly personal
From POGS
Your idea of a settled peaceful community is like the ANTIFA/Black Lives, Matter protests/riots that have been ongoing for 80 days in Portland is it?
Your idea of a peaceful community is one where ANTIFA/Black Lives Matter come in to demand you give them your home is it?
Your idea of a peaceful community is established by the law makers enticing the law breaker and the defunding of the police is it?
What had I said? simply used another report about what was happening in Seattle- Rolling Stone instead of Fox News which said the riots experienced in the area had stopped and that I would prefer that.
It seems POGS is permitted to be as personal as they like (I'm using they because I don't know POGS gender). I also tried to explain ANTIFA and its origins and asked if POGS would rather see the rise of fascism-but no reply.

Firecracker123

Just wishful thinking by some to think that the Conservatives are going to get rid of Boris Johnson, it was because of Boris that they won a stomping 80 majority ?

That was before it became apparent as to how useless he is.

The Tories chose him over Hunt because they thought he was a laugh and promised an oven ready deal over brexit.

But they shortsightedly did not give any consideration as to how he would deal with a crises. ( although his past behaviour should have given them some clues)

The Tories have plunged in the polls from a 25% lead to just a 2% lead in 3 months and Tories are getting very twitchy.

Even that bastion of Toryism the Daily Mail had headlines this week caricaturing the PM as part of Laurel and Hardy, and has been very critical.

Anniebach

Agree grandad43

I want to add, POGS never makes personal attacks and is never rude .

I could not agree more Anniebach POGS is always very rational in discussions and never resorts to personal attack.

More like her and him(s) are badly required on the forum at the present time.

I think one of the reasons for the lack of competence is that Cummings as a result of having an inflated sense of his ability, has taken control of so much in government.
Ministers seem to have little autonomy and appear to carry out their work through Cummings.

He arrived knowing that he wanted to destroy various and great institutions that have stood Great Britain in such good stead for decades, but doesn’t seem to have an intelligent plan as to what they will be replaced with.

This incompetence will continue until Cummings and his cohorts are removed.

How on earth did someone who has clearly stated that he wants to close down the institutions of the country end up in charge of them?
What leverage does he have over those who appointed him to his position of power, or who don't seem to have objected to the appointment?
There is a lot of murky fog surrounding him which cannot be seen through.

trisher, in regard to your post @10:38 today, I too along with many others believe that the Black Lives Matter organisation is set on violent and anarchist means as the basis for their objectives, whatever those objectives may be.

There is in the United Kingdom already comprehensive legislation that enables any who find racism and discrimination in their lives to take action in that instance.

That I believe POGS was advising over several posts and in that I do not believe he was making personal or insulting remarks, but just challenging what you had stated.

Also, the situation in the United States in regard to racism and discrimination is far different from the situation here in Britain, and I do not believe that they should be compared in any way.

Spot on Grandad1943

Firecracker123

Just wishful thinking by some to think that the Conservatives are going to get rid of Boris Johnson, it was because of Boris that they won a stomping 80 majority ?

This is absolutely true Firecracker

whitewave says they should have chosen the manager (Hunt) instead, and he would have been my choice for PM too, but actually it would have been a mistake because they wouldn’t have got in with such a majority if they had done that.Johnson is very popular with all kinds of people including former Labour voters, and that fact has to be acknowledged.

Elegran

How on earth did someone who has clearly stated that he wants to close down the institutions of the country end up in charge of them?
What leverage does he have over those who appointed him to his position of power, or who don't seem to have objected to the appointment?
There is a lot of murky fog surrounding him which cannot be seen through.

Elegran, Boris Johnson was elected to lead the Conservative Party by the members of that party.

He was then voted to become the Prime Minister of Great Britain by the electorate of the United Kingdom under the electoral system that governs the appointment of administrations in the United Kingdom.

How can there be any "murky fog" surrounding that??????

I assumed that Elegran was referring to Cummings, not Johnson.

varian

I assumed that Elegran was referring to Cummings, not Johnson.

Johnson appointed Cummings to his position and the Electorate appointed Johnson to his position.

Still no " murky fog" in that.

Cummings position is murky indeed. As far as we know there has never been a politically appointed special advisor with such seemingly unlimited power.

Cummings as political adviser to the Prime Minister has the power that Boris Johnson cares to give to him.

As the Elected Prime Minister Johnson can act on any advice that Cummings gives him, or ignore such advice.

Whatever action Cummings engages in would also be at the behest of the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and the entire Government.

Simple as that.

It often seems to be Cummings pulling Johnson's strings, not the other way round. It certainly did not seem when the previous chancellor resigned that Cummings' action was at the behest of the Cabinet or the entire Government, it may not even have been at the PM's behest. Cummings seems to do exactly what he wants and gets away with it, leaving many to ponder "why?"

Oh come on Grandad1943 that would require Boris to read all the stuff and think about things, much easier to say "OK Dom!". Leaves him more time for Carrie, Wilfred and whoever ele he is currently pursuing.

So why did they all appoint or acquiesce in the choice of Cummings (a committed anarchist who wishes to destroy or bypass British institutions, including the Civil Service and presumably the institutions of an elected Parliament, and a PM and cabinet answerable to that Parliament) to advise the PM and to engage in the actions you speak o

How were they persuaded into that action? That is the murkiness of which I posted.

The Prime Minister is not a dictator, he is answerable to Parliament - even re his advisors. He should have good reasons to choose them, and Cabinet ministers and rank and file MPs have a right to check on their past record and present connections and make reprentations to the PM if they are not happy with it.

varian

It often seems to be Cummings pulling Johnson's strings, not the other way round. It certainly did not seem when the previous chancellor resigned that Cummings' action was at the behest of the Cabinet or the entire Government, it may not even have been at the PM's behest. Cummings seems to do exactly what he wants and gets away with it, leaving many to ponder "why?"

A Prime Minister can appoint or dismiss any minister of government as he so wishes, nothing new in that.

Dark conspiracy theories again, don't some people just love them. ??

‘A corruption of Conservatism’: how a cartel of Tory MPs broke British politics- In an extract from his new book, Peter Geoghegan shows how the European Research Group became a tightly organised ‘party within a party’ that set the UK on course for a no-deal Brexit.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/a-corruption-of-conservatism-how-a-cartel-of-tory-mps-broke-british-politics/

Peter Geoghan is a well respected investigative journalist, very far from a conspiracy theorist Grandad.

I recommend that you read his recently published book "Democracy for Sale - Dark Money and Dirty Politics".

Although it was completed early this year, and therefore does not cover the exceptional circumstances of the last six months, it clearly sets out the evidence for attacks on democracy, in the UK and worldwide.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/a-corruption-of-conservatism-how-a-cartel-of-tory-mps-broke-british-politics/

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/aug/16/democracy-for-sale-peter-geoghegan-review-vote-leave-brexit-data-dark-money

If anyone thinks a republic is preferable to a benign monarchical system only has to think one word: Cummings.

I shudder at the thought.

Unfortunately our benign monarchy has not been able to protect us from this malign government Callistemon

Have you forgotten how Johnson was able to lie to the Queen and close down Parliament?

Grandad1943

varian

It often seems to be Cummings pulling Johnson's strings, not the other way round. It certainly did not seem when the previous chancellor resigned that Cummings' action was at the behest of the Cabinet or the entire Government, it may not even have been at the PM's behest. Cummings seems to do exactly what he wants and gets away with it, leaving many to ponder "why?"

A Prime Minister can appoint or dismiss any minister of government as he so wishes, nothing new in that.

Dark conspiracy theories again, don't some people just love them. ??

You seem a little naive about hierarchies in large organisations can work. The boss is not always in charge, despite having the formal authority. Personalities are also important.