Is Boris going to resign ?

lemongrove

Torykippers vegan ? Is that a Scottish delicacy??

Ptarmigan famous (or infamous) being an English and Conservative PM in an SNP stronghold takes courage. Imagine looking out of that cottage window and seeing hordes of hairy kilt wearing SNP fans bearing down on you, carrying bagpipes ( and not afraid to use them!)

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Imagine that ?

Alastair Campbell spells out the truth about Johnson and his government-

" We are governed by liars. People have kind of known Johnson and Cummings have a casual relationship with the truth, and have turned a blind eye for all manner of reason – ‘all politicians lie,’ (not true by the way); ‘yes, but Boris makes me laugh,’ (not any more he doesn’t); ‘who cares so long as they get the job done?’ Ah, there you have it … it takes me to the next truth.

They are incompetent. If people felt the Cummings/Johnson government was on top of the crisis, they would not care that much about a single act of rule-breaking by someone most of them could not until the last few days pick out of an identity parade. But through their indifference and incompetence, they have helped to kill tens of thousands of people, enough to fill Anfield Stadium; they have failed on PPE, on test, track and trace, on care homes, on virtually every aspect of this challenge; by being among the last into lockdown, we are likely to be among the last out, with an even bigger hit on the economy.

Johnson is not up to the job. Again, those of us who have known him for a long time have been aware of that for years. It is tragic that it has taken a global pandemic and a national crisis for everyone else to see it.

And, deep down he knows he is not up to the job. I was talking the other day to someone who attended Cobra meetings before they were switched to Zoom. ‘He literally looks over to Cummings before he speaks.’ Pathetic.

Yet, Cummings is not a genius; he is not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy. (Younger readers google Monty Python, which is also worth doing anyway.) His press conference exposed just how second rate he is. He seriously seemed to think he was helping himself.

These people who won power claiming to fight for the people against the elite – they ARE the elite. One rule for them, one for everyone else.

They are totally out of touch. They have no idea how most people live their lives, and they don’t care. Durham Dom with rich Daddy’s property, with different houses for everyone in the grouns, and lovely woods to stay away from the plebs; his wife with her aristo family, friends and connections in the Spectator set; it has exposed the truth about entitled people taking what they in their country homes call ‘awdenerry peepull’ for a ride.

The idea that Mr and Mrs Cummings have ‘special circumstances’ that allow them to break the lockdown guidelines … I hate to say ‘The Mail got it right,’ but WHAT PLANET ARE THEY ON?

The Cabinet is awful. We have the most spineless, useless Cabinet in history. Has there ever been a more debasing spectacle than these nodding dogs putting out, one after the other, their near identical tweets … ‘Dom’s a dad, did what any dad would, didn’t break the guidelines, move on.’

They put Cummings before Covid. They care more about themselves than the lives and livelihoods of the people who elected them. Ask yourself this question: Which of these two things has taken up more of Johnson’s and the nodding dogs’ time and attention in recent days … Covid? Or Cummings?

They are destroying Britain’s reputation in the world. I have been shocked, and ashamed, of the coverage around the world of this fiasco, and the questions I have faced from interviewers from Canada to New Zealand, Argentina to Australia, on the lines of ‘what the hell has happened to your once great country?’"

alastaircampbell.org/2020/05/why-it-took-cummings-rule-breach-to-expose-the-full-horror-of-the-national-catastrophe-for-which-johnson-and-the-most-useless-cabinet-in-history-are-responsible/

...but Laura, they enjoy the negativity, it’s meat and drink to them, can we really deny them that pleasure?
Having thought about this...yes! We can.
It’s a long long time for that chance at the ballot box, so meanwhile it’s really a civic duty to show positivity and get on with things.?

Hmmmm, where did that with come from.....scary!

Growstuff Varian MaizieD* Vegansrock et al, you keep asking what Boris and his government have done.
Boris Johnson understood that the majority of voters wanted to leave the EU, he continued to fight for us in spite of parliament and the BBC doing everything it could to thwart the will of the people.
He won the leadership contest, he called a general election to test that will of the people and won with a stonking majority.
He set out to keep that promise and with a strong ambition to level up the country, invest in infrastructure and invest in the people who had lent him their vote.
Covid-19 has sadly put his plans on hold but his government have given so much to allow people to stay safely at home, to try to open up the economy with incentives and to get the children back to school.
There have been mistakes during these unprecedented times and none of us know if anyone else would have coped any better. We have a tiny island and a huge population, we are doing okay but would do so much better if we all worked together, thought for ourselves and acted responsibly instead of constantly trying to discredit our leaders. You will all get your chance at the ballot box, meanwhile how about some positivity.

Torykippers vegan ? Is that a Scottish delicacy??

Ptarmigan famous (or infamous) being an English and Conservative PM in an SNP stronghold takes courage. Imagine looking out of that cottage window and seeing hordes of hairy kilt wearing SNP fans bearing down on you, carrying bagpipes ( and not afraid to use them!)

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growstuff

Janpt Yes, it does need you to spell out what Johnson is capable of. My judgments are evidence-based and, so far, there's no evidence.

By the way, I don't know whether you realised this, but there's currently a thread running with people complaining about the kind of rudeness you've just shown.

You have no idea what I am capable of giving.

growstuff You are determined not to give Boris Johnson credit for anything. However he is the Prime Minister of this country having won the election with a massive majority and deserves respect. It will be obvious to you which party I support. I suppose that is why my comments unlike many others on here are classed by you as rude. Unfortunately we are in the minority on here and it is obvious that the web site appears to be run for the benefit of Labour supporters.

growstuff Where is this 'rudeness' thread ?

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1283724-Uncalled-for-comments

I'm not sure it's within the rules to link to another thread.

Oh well! Hit me with a deletion GNHQ! I can take it!

vegansrock

janpt why do you think anyone who criticises Johnson is a Labour supporter? stop making sweeping generalisations.
can you not criticise Johnson for anything?

Very true! One of the mothers of one of my students is about as Conservative as one could be. At one point, she even worked for CCHQ.

I have been tutoring her son for a while and I'm very familiar with her political views. She always wants a chat after out Zoom lesson and I nearly fell off my chair a couple of weeks ago, when she said that really wouldn't be able to vote Conservative with Johnson in charge. She didn't have anything good to say about any of the current cabinet ministers.

janpt why do you think anyone who criticises Johnson is a Labour supporter? stop making sweeping generalisations.
can you not criticise Johnson for anything?

Janpt

growstuff

Janpt Yes, it does need you to spell out what Johnson is capable of. My judgments are evidence-based and, so far, there's no evidence.

By the way, I don't know whether you realised this, but there's currently a thread running with people complaining about the kind of rudeness you've just shown.

You have no idea what I am capable of giving.

growstuff You are determined not to give Boris Johnson credit for anything. However he is the Prime Minister of this country having won the election with a massive majority and deserves respect. It will be obvious to you which party I support. I suppose that is why my comments unlike many others on here are classed by you as rude. Unfortunately we are in the minority on here and it is obvious that the web site appears to be run for the benefit of Labour supporters.

growstuff Where is this 'rudeness' thread ?

Why do so many torykippers on here think that anyone who fails to lick the ar*e of our beloved leader is a labour supporter?

* the web site appears to be run for the benefit of Labour supporters.*. Let’s ask GNHQ shall we ?
It’s always the same, if you don’t support this government we get the “oh we’re in the minority here” whinge.
It’s absolutely your right to support Mr Johnson if you like but it is equally the right of anyone else on this website or elsewhere to disagree.

We keep on asking you, Janpt, to tell us just what Johnson has done to earn any credit, but you are strangely silent on that point.

I also really think you should research the meaning of Marxist before you start flinging it about as a label for people.

varian

You are not just in a minority here Janpt, but you and your fellow Tories are now, and were at the time of the election, in a minority. Your party may have won a majority of seats, but they certainly did not win a majority of votes.

He might have won respect if he had acted with integrity, but he does not seem to know the meaning of the word.

Those of us in the majority who voted against him, are perfectly entitled to criticise his abyssmal performance, even if you cannot bring yourself to see just how utterly dreadful this corrupt, incompetent Vote Leave government are.

Evberyone else can see it.

varian You just can't accept that your party lost and luckily for us we don't have Marxist Corbyn running the country. You will never give Boris Johnson credit for anything even though many of your party changed sides and voted for him. Do the right thing, accept defeat and give him and the rest of the party your support.

janpt This site is run for the benefit of everyone. No one asks for any political affiliations when people join. There are several reasons why more people are supporting the left of centre at the moment - BJ, DC, MG, PP, etc etc.

Do you look at the other forums? There's very little, if any, politicking on them. I'm sure that there are plenty of other sites you could find where you will find like minded people.

You are not just in a minority here Janpt, but you and your fellow Tories are now, and were at the time of the election, in a minority. Your party may have won a majority of seats, but they certainly did not win a majority of votes.

He might have won respect if he had acted with integrity, but he does not seem to know the meaning of the word.

Those of us in the majority who voted against him, are perfectly entitled to criticise his abyssmal performance, even if you cannot bring yourself to see just how utterly dreadful this corrupt, incompetent Vote Leave government are.

Evberyone else can see it.

growstuff

Janpt Yes, it does need you to spell out what Johnson is capable of. My judgments are evidence-based and, so far, there's no evidence.

By the way, I don't know whether you realised this, but there's currently a thread running with people complaining about the kind of rudeness you've just shown.

You have no idea what I am capable of giving.

growstuff You are determined not to give Boris Johnson credit for anything. However he is the Prime Minister of this country having won the election with a massive majority and deserves respect. It will be obvious to you which party I support. I suppose that is why my comments unlike many others on here are classed by you as rude. Unfortunately we are in the minority on here and it is obvious that the web site appears to be run for the benefit of Labour supporters.

Daddima

Here is what he is capable of....

twitter.com/mrmichaelspicer/status/1204712479705554945?s=21

Brilliant ?

Here is what he is capable of....

twitter.com/mrmichaelspicer/status/1204712479705554945?s=21

MayBee70

You don’t gain respect by becoming leader of a country. You gain it by the things you do and the way that you behave when in that position. Thus far there is nothing that Johnson has done that deserves respect from me.

MayBee70 That's your opinion which you are entitled to have.

Janpt Yes, it does need you to spell out what Johnson is capable of. My judgments are evidence-based and, so far, there's no evidence.

By the way, I don't know whether you realised this, but there's currently a thread running with people complaining about the kind of rudeness you've just shown.

You have no idea what I am capable of giving.

You don’t gain respect by becoming leader of a country. You gain it by the things you do and the way that you behave when in that position. Thus far there is nothing that Johnson has done that deserves respect from me.

growstuff

Janpt

vegansrock Sounds like your support for Corbyn. Difference is Boris Johnson is far more capable than him or anyone else in the Labour party.

Capable at what?

I'm really struggling because Johnson and capable are an oxymoron, as far as I'm concerned.

growstuff I don't need to spell out what Boris Johnson is capable of. He would not have won such a massive majority unless people including very many Labour voters thought he was capable of running the country. You are the one who is incapable of giving credit to someone who whether you like it or not is the Prime Minister of this country and deserves respect which you are incapable of giving.

Oh I am sure supporters of all parties have a gossip when someone famous (even moderately so) comes to town

Apart from that not really sure why holidaying in a SNP stronghold is any different from a Tory/Labour/Libdem stronghold.
Really?

The local gossips could be having a field day with a Tory PM staying in an SNP constituency. Not just any SNP constituency, it's Ian Blackford's constituency! And the midges to add to the horror of it.

Bad choice Boris!
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