No more than 6 people indoors or out

With respect, Jabberwok, if your situation is straightforward (and by this I’m not implying easy), then it is simple. More complex situations are by nature, more complex!

Well had all four grandchildren after school yesterday from two different families and with DH and myself that made a legal 6.

Then unthinking our son arrived to take his home and suddenly we were illegal - for a couple of minutes. Hadn't thought that one through ?

As I said we all lead such cossetted lives in comparison to places like India,Africa, the middle East, South America, and so on where lots of people know what real hardship and despair is

We are in Birmingham and we can't mix with anyone at all

Jaberwok

As I said we all lead such cossetted lives in comparison to places like India,Africa, the middle East, South America, and so on where lots of people know what real hardship and despair is

Yes, we know. That's why I welcome refugee

Can't see a problem. If you can't all visit together, go in shifts. It's certainly inconvenient, but not impossible for most people. I agree with Gwyneth and others.

Furret that’s amazing

If people visit in shifts, doesn’t that mean the same risk of transmission, assuming someone was infected in one of the shifts?

We go to local pub, must sanitise on entry, fill out contact details using own pen or sanitised one, order, move to pay station, move to collection point, sit in garden 1m plus at least from others. No standing, table hopping allowed, if the rules are not obeyed, no service, not all establishments are to be blamed.
I’m fed up with pubs and restaurants being held responsible for everything by some when rules are being broken, predominantly in family homes. We respect the 6, the no hugging anyone, hand washing, distance and masks. We’re not paragons of virtue, but people sneaking in the odd child as ‘two youngsters equal one adult’, shifts and other excuses make me despair.

jaberwok defending the government by saying “ no one could do better” is plainly wrong. They could have done better by not lying and not giving their cronies contracts and wasting loads of public money. You can fool some of the people some of the time seems to be this governments mantra. It may be easy to understand - this government do like to talk in baby language it’s true, but that doesn’t mean it makes sense. You can’t go birdwatching in a group of more than 6 but you can go and shoot birds with 30 people.

I believe that unless the increase in the infection rate can be drastically slowed or preferably stopped then a second national lockdown will be inevitable.

Infections are now effecting the essential workers in the Health Service and within food processors and the associated large distribution centres. Stringent precautions have been taken throughout the crisis to prevent those essential workers from incurring Covid-19 in their workplaces, but the infection is being brought into those distribution centres by employees incurring the infection while outside.

It is felt that with the shortage of readily available testing it is now only a matter of time before those processors and distribution centres will be forced to close due to major outbreaks in those workplaces.

The rise in the infection rate has to be brought under control NOW if stability in supply is to be maintained. Therefore there is a growing feeling and demand in the transport and distribution industry that a second complete lockdown for at least two weeks will have to come about followed once more by a very gradual opening up.

* Infections are now effecting the essential workers in the Health Service and within food processors and the associated large distribution centres. Stringent precautions have been taken throughout the crisis to prevent those essential workers from incurring Covid-19 in their workplaces*

Did the lack of PPE in hospitals and Care Homes earlier in the pandemic entirely bypass you Grandad? And those meat processing plants where dozens of workers contracted COVID-19 and the plants had to be closed down?

Furret

* Infections are now effecting the essential workers in the Health Service and within food processors and the associated large distribution centres. Stringent precautions have been taken throughout the crisis to prevent those essential workers from incurring Covid-19 in their workplaces*

Did the lack of PPE in hospitals and Care Homes earlier in the pandemic entirely bypass you Grandad? And those meat processing plants where dozens of workers contracted COVID-19 and the plants had to be closed down?

The infections that we have seen in the meat processing plants have seen so far minor. However, should widespread infections break out in the very large supermarket distribution centres then that would rapidly become a national distribution crisis.

To prevent the above happening not only in transport but also in water, electricity, and gas supply was the reason the first lockdown was brought about, or had that passed you by Furret.

Security of essential industry supply has to be paramount, for all else is dependent on that.

Grandad1943

Furret

* Infections are now effecting the essential workers in the Health Service and within food processors and the associated large distribution centres. Stringent precautions have been taken throughout the crisis to prevent those essential workers from incurring Covid-19 in their workplaces*

Did the lack of PPE in hospitals and Care Homes earlier in the pandemic entirely bypass you Grandad? And those meat processing plants where dozens of workers contracted COVID-19 and the plants had to be closed down?

The infections that we have seen in the meat processing plants have seen so far minor. However, should widespread infections break out in the very large supermarket distribution centres then that would rapidly become a national distribution crisis.

To prevent the above happening not only in transport but also in water, electricity, and gas supply was the reason the first lockdown was brought about, or had that passed you by Furret.

Security of essential industry supply has to be paramount, for all else is dependent on that.

Patently incorrect Why have we seen so many outbreaks in meat processing plants

Do you just make it up as you go along grandad or are you seriously suggesting you know more that the BBC.

Well Grandad that's really helped cheer us all up this morning, hasn't it.

If the meat processing industry suffers you can all join vegansrock and me in not eating meat. ?

Alegrias

Well Grandad that's really helped cheer us all up this morning, hasn't it.

If the meat processing industry suffers you can all join vegansrock and me in not eating meat. ?

Well, I feel we all have call things as they really are Alegrias.

Let's face it, the situation is most certainly not improving at this point in time. I think we all have our own theories as to where the handling of the Covid-19 crisis has gone "off track"

For me, it was the reopening of the pubs before the endemic had reached a very low level. They, I feel, should have been the last establishments released from lockdown.

For me, it was the reopening of the pubs before the endemic had reached a very low level. They, I feel, should have been the last establishments released from lockdown

Totally agree!

Furret
I would rather read Grandads take on the situation as he is in the real world, rather than a BBC bod who isn't.

Let's face it, the situation is most certainly not improving at this point in time. I think we all have our own theories as to where the handling of the Covid-19 crisis has gone "off track"

For me, it was the reopening of the pubs before the endemic had reached a very low level. They, I feel, should have been the last establishments released from lockdown.

For once I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grandad. It seems that we in the North East are about to go into local lockdown, with very stringent rules on households meeting, but it seems to me to be a complete and heartbreaking wasted effort if pubs and restaurants are still open. Even if there's a 10 pm curfew; that's just pointless window dressing IMO.

I am in the north east as well. I think there are many issues within this area, sporting events (non professional) appear to have been at the heart of some of the outbreaks (linked to pubs too) and the issue in schools and especially with school transport (rural areas) is becoming a massive problem.

I was thankful to go into lockdown in March, but now the prospect is making me really angry because of the Serco testing debacle (I refuse to call it NHS, it isn't) and the governments chaotic and cavalier time wasting over the summer.

We have been into two local pubs for meals and I honestly felt far safer due to all the precautions taken (tables apart with clear screens in between, staff with masks and shields all details taken, no standing at bar or anywhere, table service only) then in my one and only visit to Aldi!!

I think meals are quite different to 11 pm on a Saturday night in a city centre pub. Nick Forbes is saying that one of the factors within the north east is relaxing on social distancing that also appears to me to be fairly accurate.

Wer should have an GN reunion- all wear tweeds and deer stalkers - and don't forget your gun.

Would a water pistol do?