Today's Commons debate

Peter Oborne made the mistake of voting Leave. As a right wing Telegraph writer this was not surprising.

However by the time he made this video three years later he had realised that he had been wrong. In particular he realised that the Irish question was actually insolvable.

To protect the Good Friday agreement we must avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland and to protect the unity of the UK there cannot be a border between GB and NI.

Many people realised this at the time of the fraudulent referendum and so voted Remain, but the Irish conundrum was glossed over by the pro-brexit media pushing for brexit.

Peter Oborne may well be one of many who realised too late that they had been misled, but not enough of them have been so frank about admitting it, which is to his credit.

The attack on Devolution is expected but still shocking ,how can they believe that putting a tory LORD in charge over decisions made by an elected government is OK? It certainly isn't OK by me or anyone I know...they may have just made Independence a certainty next year ..or even sooner

Forgive me Paddyanne, but I don't think the general public this side of the border.gives a tinkers cuss about Scottish independence in fact I think if we we're able to join in, the result would be in the bag for Scotland. It might be prudent to get a cast iron agreement with the EU before leaving the union!..falling between two stools could be financially uncomfortable! Small matter of currency not to mention the need for a hard border between our two nations which something tells me we would not be paying for!

One MP said today that last night's vote was "the last twitching of the Remain corpse".

Even a senior member of Sir Keir's team admitted that "Brexit is dead" and the party had effectively resigned itself to "not putting up a fight".

This is from Russ
I'm tentative about saying this, because it could be tripe.

But I've now heard it from 4 separate sources who work in journalism and follow me. They each say (independently, unprompted) it's an open secret Johnson is already planning his resignation in January.

Well Urm if you think that, you’ll think anything. But then you do already. The issue is about behaving honourably - hahahahaha

Urmstongran

One MP said today that last night's vote was "the last twitching of the Remain corpse".

Even a senior member of Sir Keir's team admitted that "Brexit is dead" and the party had effectively resigned itself to "not putting up a fight".

Any idea what is going to happen to Ireland?

If (once) Boris goes, Brexit will be in the bag anyway so I’ll be a happy bunny!

Job done. And thank you to Boris for keeping his promise.

Of course we have left the EU - that s not the same as Brexit being done but I do appreciate such a subtle distinction will be beyond the understanding of many.

BTW - who is Russ? .... link please?
(joke ?)

Urmstongran

BTW - who is Russ? .... link please?
(joke ?)

What about Ireland any idea?

When DOB shamble rambles on watch out - his armour against answering any question he doesn't like is when he appears as a bumbling idiot. Clever!!

Seriously, who is Russ?

In the Assembly, today Mrs Foster said: "The EU needs to stop using Northern Ireland to get their own way.

"We are not the plaything of the European Union and it causes great difficulties here in Northern Ireland when people use Northern Ireland in that fashion."

Mrs Foster urged the EU/UK Joint Committee to make progress, expressing surprise there is still a standoff around the issue of goods being imported to Northern Ireland from Britain.

"I am amazed that that issue has not yet been solved because it's a very straightforward issue," she said.

Mrs Foster added: "That should not be used as a bargaining chip, but instead it should be dealt with as quickly as possible."

On the UK Internal Market Bill, the First Minister said: "The GB market is our largest market so it is important that we have unfettered access into the market and that is what I hope this bill will achieve."

She added: "Sometimes when I listen to EU negotiators and they talk about peace in Northern Ireland, it is apparently only if we have free access north/south, there's very little conversations about access east/west, and of course we do need that in a more fundamental way.

"I can understand why the north/south issue was such a big issue, and I recognise that, but there were other ways to deal with that.

"Those other ways were pooh-poohed and not listened to, and unfortunately we now find ourselves in this situation.

"So there needs to be an acknowledgement that east/west - the integrity of the United Kingdom - needs to be protected as much as having to deal with the north/south trade."

ug will you be coming back to live in the paradise that will be post brexit U.K. ?

I plan to be back soon. November probably. Lockdown & my own Covid fears (train/airports/plane) have delayed my return is all.
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Who is Russ?

So where is the border going? There are 3. Options

Between the two Ireland’s which will further break international agreement and risk the fragile peace.

Between the mainland Britain and Northern Ireland

Between mainland Europe, U.K. and Southern Ireland, thus dividing the EU ( well that’s never going to happen)

Mainland Briton and NI? wheres that going to be, and whose going to police it and how?

Oh, and pay for it as I guess it won't be us!

Urmstongran

Who is Russ?

You know the one who writes the diaries of the governments week.

Jaberwok

Mainland Briton and NI? wheres that going to be, and whose going to police it and how?

In the middle of the Irish Sea.

Brexit is paying for it

Whitewavemark2

Jaberwok

Mainland Briton and NI? wheres that going to be, and whose going to police it and how?

In the middle of the Irish Sea.

Brexit is paying for it

Don’t forget that a border in the Irish Sea was explicit in Johnson’s withdrawal agreement.

One in which May refused to have thus inventing the Irish backstop.

The problem is that the internal market bill contains no measures to actually prevent this border. Something that the government seems to have overlooked.

Or probably not understood

I don’t know of Russ WW - actually I even wondered if he was a relative of yours - hence my joke asking for a link
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Thank you for explaining.

Regards Ireland. I bet Boris doesn’t do anything. If the EU ‘want’ a border there it’ll be up to them and to pay for it. Although I think it’ll be the softest ever. It’s their choice. And why should it affect the GF agreement if that were to be the case. The good citizens of that island would appreciate it’s down to the EU and tariffs. Trade regulations. That’s all. Nothing at all to do with sectarian hostilities. Time has moved on and I bet the majority of the good ‘uns just want a decent life, enjoying freedoms without the religious bigotries of their old ‘uns.