We need a coup

I don't know where to start Janpt but I will try to explain. I explained Austerity makes it hard to live, to make ends meet. You seem to think it's poor people fault that they are in dire circumstances.

Have you read the long list of criminal activity of the government in the post 'An overview of what's happend just this week in government'?

If so did you could not fail to be appalled ashamed of the PM and his government?

You can see people in desperate need don't get much on UC

The government voted to not provide free school meals for the poorest children which means they will go hungry. Marcus Rashford wants the government to back down And spurred on by Marcus food outlets are now providing meals for children up and down the country for free as a way of helping the poor.

Did you know PMs get subsidised meals and drinks They make sure they don't go without.

You are the only one that's been indoctrinated to think the way you do.

All I can say is 'thank god the Labour party are not in power' They left nothing when they left government and that is the reason for austerity. They even left a note to say 'sorry there's no money left'. At least the government had built up funds again before the pandemic arrived. Thank goodness the weird Annaleise Dodds is not the chancellor and we are in the safe hands of Rishi Sunak

I agree Janpt on Rishi Sunak, Annalise Dodds doesn’t fill anyone with confidence I should think.

You are rather selective, Janpt, or perhaps stubborn is the right word.

You believe you were shown of a man was videod doing on a TV programme and what he said he was going to do with his money (something sensational which a show made for entertainment and something that a boastful man would say if he knoew he'd be shown on "the box".

But you don't believe what a whole load of posters have told you from their own firsthand experience of having to survive and feed children on a minuscule amount, or from administering the benefits, or what statisticians have on record of the people in receipt of these benefits, and the number of children they ^already had when they became in need of them?

I suspect the only thing that you would believe is having no savings or income yourself and falling into the poverty trap, while no-one and nothing was there to help you get out of it. One day you may find out the hard way. Meanwhile, enjoy your safety and cross your fingers you keep it.

lemongrove

I agree Janpt on Rishi Sunak, Annalise Dodds doesn’t fill anyone with confidence I should think.

It's so good to hear from someone who agrees with me on something at last !!!!

Elegran

You are rather selective, Janpt, or perhaps stubborn is the right word.

You believe you were shown of a man was videod doing on a TV programme and what he said he was going to do with his money (something sensational which a show made for entertainment and something that a boastful man would say if he knoew he'd be shown on "the box".

But you don't believe what a whole load of posters have told you from their own firsthand experience of having to survive and feed children on a minuscule amount, or from administering the benefits, or what statisticians have on record of the people in receipt of these benefits, and the number of children they ^already had when they became in need of them?

I suspect the only thing that you would believe is having no savings or income yourself and falling into the poverty trap, while no-one and nothing was there to help you get out of it. One day you may find out the hard way. Meanwhile, enjoy your safety and cross your fingers you keep it.

I'm sure the man on the programme was an example what does actually go on.
Perhaps some people should have thought about the future and if they could cope in any eventuality before they had these children. I suppose they knew that someone else would provide.

And what did Austerity achieve nothing it hit the poorest the rich more than doubled their wealth And the Tories increased the debt. I don't rate any of the Tories.

"Some people" - not all recipients are angels, but that isn't a reason to demonise generally those whoneed the benefits and use them responsibly.

Boris has already said that he is going in March. He’s not earning enough to keep all his children and ex wives.

Grany

And what did Austerity achieve nothing it hit the poorest the rich more than doubled their wealth And the Tories increased the debt. I don't rate any of the Tories.

I doubt if they'll be that concerned about your opinion.

Kamiso

Boris has already said that he is going in March. He’s not earning enough to keep all his children and ex wives.

I don't know why you have suddenly appeared on here but if that's the best contribution you can make just don't bother again.

Those children already born need and should be freely fed and if parents unable to do so society has to provide. Put that out of the way and let us deal with a real issue.

There was a time when a majority of parents had children they could afford. That philosophy has completely disappear, and children being brought into the world by those without the means to support and care for themselves let alone children. In a world where family planning advice freely and openly available. Instances of child neglect and cruelty a regular stain on this accepted free for all.

You don't get much free now a days It's all a big struggle for most with only the rich getting richer. 10 years of a corrupt Tory government, have you heard? sparklingsilver28 thoses were better times you are talking about.

sparklingsilver28

Those children already born need and should be freely fed and if parents unable to do so society has to provide. Put that out of the way and let us deal with a real issue.

There was a time when a majority of parents had children they could afford. That philosophy has completely disappear, and children being brought into the world by those without the means to support and care for themselves let alone children. In a world where family planning advice freely and openly available. Instances of child neglect and cruelty a regular stain on this accepted free for all.

At last someone else who agrees with me. It's a bit wearying on here having to argue every valid point with the majority of left wing posters who think it's alright to keep paying out benefits to people who do not have the common sense to limit their families to how many children they can afford to keep and just expect the tax payer to fund them.

We were all just answering your posts with the facts - that most parents receiving benefits actually had the children BEFORE they got into the difficulties that meant they could no longer cope. After insisting on repeating that they shouldn't have had them, now you say that was what you meant all along. At which point did you change your tune to agree with US?

It is a politician's tactic to change sides in mid-argument and then claim that you never said your first statement at all.

Rishi What's the new slogan to follow Eat out to help out?

Starve a kid to save a quid

This is what I said earlier today !

Perhaps some people should have thought about the future and if they could cope in any eventuality before they had these children. I suppose they knew that someone else would provide.

Elegran

We were all just answering your posts with the facts - that most parents receiving benefits actually had the children BEFORE they got into the difficulties that meant they could no longer cope. After insisting on repeating that they shouldn't have had them, now you say that was what you meant all along. At which point did you change your tune to agree with US?

This is what I said earlier today!

Perhaps some people should have thought about the future and if they could cope in any eventuality before they had these children. I suppose they knew that someone else would provide.

Perhaps some people should have thought about the future and if they could cope in any eventuality before they had these children.

In that case nobody will ever have any children, ever. If you're in a hole Janpt, stop digging.

Alegrias2

*Perhaps some people should have thought about the future and if they could cope in any eventuality before they had these children.*

In that case nobody will ever have any children, ever. If you're in a hole Janpt, stop digging.

You have chosen to miss the point. People don't always think of the scenarios which they need to take account of before making decisions. I am not in a hole. I am just making a valid point which you refuse to accept.

Unfortunately, Grany there have always been corrupt governments of all shades. In addition, rich and well off have always taken care of their own kind.^

I cannot name a Prime Minister from an ordinary family background in my life-time: Margaret Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair, who did not come out of the job without having made millions. Millions on a salary, according to some in today's standard modest £150,000. Tony Blair an astonishing example - I believe his about £75,000 p.a. A jolly sight more than the average man or woman, but certainly no enough to have accumulated his property portfolio. And before someone quotes "Cherry" pull the other one that has bells on.

How many times do people have to be told - lots of people who have children and are claiming benefits have found they are in dire consequences through no fault of their own; when they decided to have children they were in employment/were a two parent family/were not ill etc. Circumstances change. Not every one on benefits is a feckless scrounger. My dad had a good job and was the first in our street to own a car (1950s). He buggered off when I was 6 weeks old, leaving my mother with a baby, and a 5 and 8 year old. She had no skills and had to take up 3 part-time low skilled jobs (at the same time), but still couldn't make ends meet. Some people's callous view of benefit claimants is just breathtaking. They appear to have no social conscience at all. And THEY talk about us being indoctrinated!

I think sparklingsilver28 you will find that most of them make money in public speaking when they leave office.

janpt If all this country had to worry about was a bunch of layabouts claiming benefits for their many children, life would be good. Its a drop in the ocean. Stop worrying about it. There's no point in getting angry about it because it will always be there, and its inconsequential.

The city nearest to me used to be the teenage pregnancy capital of the UK. People actually thought the girls were having children to claim the benefits. While I'm sure a tiny proportion of these young women were doing that, the vast majority were stuck in a cycle of poverty and unplanned parenthood that they couldn't see any way out of.