We need a coup

Are you saying that even the lifelong Conservative voters on GN are left wing janpt?

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Whitewavemark2 there are times at the moment that I am embarrassed to be a Conservative. I only hope that the good MPs grow a backbone and start voting with their heads, not their wallets.

Ilovecheese

I am glad that so many people do not agree with Janpt.
There are still so many decent posters on Gransnet that it makes up for the other kind.

I'm not surprised that so many people do not agree with me as this is mostly a left wing site. I don't know if I would use the word 'decent' to describe the majority of left wingers on here. I have already been warned about the bullying which goes on here of anyone who disagrees with the majority Labour voters.

GrannyGravy13 It is not just Labour MPs who are pressing the Government to do a U turn over free school meals, several Conservative MPs are disagreeing with the Government on this matter.

Grannygravy13. ~Thank you for that.

There are some good MPs and I think we all hope they will have the strength of will to stand up to the Whips.There are others though who will be looking for promotion and will therefore kowtow. they have seen that you can get on with little or no talent just by being yes men /women.

I heard George Walden , who was a minister in Margaret Thatcher's cabinet describe most of the present cabinet as over promoted.That they are in the main. A shame Johnson got rid of most of the more able because they stood up to him.

Ilovecheese yes I know that, hence my previous post. Apologise if I did not make myself clear.

Lara When you say "Please debate the issues but don't resort to attacking people because their views are not the same as yours." can we assume that we can still point out the actual facts from statistics and our own experience? A great deal of the differences of "opinion" on this thread are based on ignorance and prejudice, not on recorded fact or thirty years before the blackboard - and most "attacks" are on the whole membership of Gransnet for their supposed membership of one political end of the spectrum, though many posters have stated that they are normally in the middle or well toward the other end.

I do wonder if we had some form of PR whether the political parties would sort of flatten out and the more extreme elements would form parties of their own.

As with most of the political discussions on here, those who are slightly left leaning tend to give facts and figures and those right of centre who lean towards the extreme right tend to say I believe and I know........... Perhaps the time has come to call a halt to this particular discussion because we're banging our heads against a brick wall.

varian

Are you saying that even the lifelong Conservative voters on GN are left wing janpt?

I don't know where you got that from. There are very few Conservative voters on here. They would probably prefer to avoid the bullying which goes on in this predominately left wing thread.

Poor quality housing
And poor quality housing does not mean it is cheap, either.

Rents are high even for places which, quite honestly, aren't fit for habitation in some cases.
That means that little is left over for so-called luxuries such as food.

janpt you are correct about that....all the politics threads tend to be left wing dominated, many posters who vote otherwise can hardly be bothered to comment because they know the interminable wrangling that will follow.
However when posters do comment, surely it can be done (by all) to do it without all the personal stuff.
Am not sure why this is so, but it could be that since GN started ( just about) the Labour Party have been out of power,
It’s a very long time ....this may account for it.
Other forums seem to have a wide range of political views so it’s puzzling.

Those commenting from a viewpoint to the right of centre don't seem to have any constructive things to say at the moment. I have always regarded the right as having solid policies for maintaining a sound legal and financial basis for the national community and economy, while those on the left had the stronger policies for distributing the results of that financial success and ensuring that everyone benefits from the legal framework.
However this current government has put our financial position into jeopardy with their exit from the EU, and is in process of removing much of the legal and financial safety nets that protect the citizens. With the impending trade chaos of Bexit and the social and economic destruction caused by coronavirus, there could be less in the pot to distribute, either through trade and employment or through benefits.
Left-wingers have more to say on this than right-wingers, whose response in general seems to be, "So what? They'll just have to go to the wall." If anyone has any constructive, not vituperative posts to make from the right, they will be most welcome.

I would like to see a range of views on the political threads. It seems that many don't post as their ideas will be 'blown out of the water' by those who disagree.

Yes AGA sadly that is exactly the case....
That’s a sweeping statement Elegran ( last paragraph)
There are many Conservative voters on this site but most really cannot be bothered by all the flak that ensues.It doesn’t mean they think ‘So what, let them go to the wall’ at all.
Often easier to scroll past and leave a thread to be an echo chamber.

AGAA4

I would like to see a range of views on the political threads. It seems that many don't post as their ideas will be 'blown out of the water' by those who disagree.

Yes, you only need to see the bullying comments I receive on here as a minority Conservative voter. I was warned that this would happen and that many right wing voters have left because of it. It says it all about the quality of the Labour left on here. We have witnessed what they see as acceptable from the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party last week.

LaraGransnet

Hello <waves white flag>. There are a large number of personal attacks flying around. Please debate the issues but don't resort to attacking people because their views are not the same as yours. Thanks

It's time something was done about this.

AGAA4 Mon 26-Oct-20 16:10:06
I would like to see a range of views on the political threads. It seems that many don't post as their ideas will be 'blown out of the water' by those who disagree.

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Yes AGA sadly that is exactly the case....
That’s a sweeping statement Elegran ( last paragraph)
There are many Conservative voters on this site but most really cannot be bothered by all the flak that ensues.It doesn’t mean they think ‘So what, let them go to the wall’ at all.
Often easier to scroll past and leave a thread to be an echo chamber.

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AGAA4

I would like to see a range of views on the political threads. It seems that many don't post as their ideas will be 'blown out of the water' by those who disagree.

Yes, you only need to see the bullying comments I receive on here as a minority Conservative voter. I was warned that this would happen and that many right wing voters have left because of it. It says it all about the quality of the Labour left on here. We have witnessed what they see as acceptable from the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party last week.

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I posted a reply to a comment earlier today. A couple of other posters pretty quickly told me I was wrong. They know more about it than I do so I bow to their knowledge on this. I never felt bullied just because people disagreed with me. I'm an SNP voter so I've got lots of experience of very vocal people taking very different points of view than mine , but I don't throw my toys out of the pram and call "foul". On this forum I've been told to back off, I've been called scum and I've been told I'm over excited. All part of life's rich tapestry....

I may not agree with every post but strongly dislike 'bullying' tactics. Discussion/debate is a good thing if we respect the views of others.

Perhaps if those few who do post all wrote in a way that proved they didn't apparently agree with Johnson's comments in The Spectator in 1995 ( 'working class men are “likely. to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless' ) they would get more of a hearing? (I am aware that there are posts from Conservative voters who have hearts and brains, some of them I have met and made friends with, but there are also some very blinkered and stubborn individuals)

I have been on threads where most have disagreed with me it's hard but it is what it is. I certainly didnt feel bullied. Actually Iwould say there are a lot of supporters of the government on this site compared to other sites.

And am sure there are some very stubborn and blinkered
Individuals on the Labour side Elegran
What you are more or less saying is that there may be a few
Conservative posters who are ‘alright’ in your view but if their views are wholly different to yours then they must be per se,
Very wrong.It’s the constant ‘prove yourself’ ! Kind of comments that put so many posters off.

I posted a reply to a comment earlier today. A couple of other posters pretty quickly told me I was wrong. They know more about it than I do so I bow to their knowledge on this. I never felt bullied just because people disagreed with me.

Algerias if you are speaking about the Eton comments here I meant to get back to you this morning and thank you for your measured reply. I certainly wasn't looking for a fight like some, but just wanted to defend the school's statement, (and yes, I was an independent school Head!) There are blinkered and stubborn individuals in all areas.