We need a coup

M0nica it may not change the flavour of government we get but it could make the government more accountable. I don't pretend to be an expert on this but in the Scottish system the party that wins the most votes in the first round of seat allocation are automatically disadvantaged in later rounds. This is meant to lead to a coalition so the decisions are taken by general agreement and not by diktat. Its also the reason we don't have a bi-cameral system.

Maybe moving to a similar system is the coup we should be aiming for?

The change from FPTP to PR, if we could ever achieve it, would have many benefits, and as far as I know there is not a single democratic country which has ever opted to change back to the sham democracy of FPTP.

Just saw this on another thread. Says it all !!
Gwyneth Fri 23-Oct-20 19:27:14
Children often go hungry because their parents choose to spend their money on other things. I agree this is not always the case but during a long career working with children I have seen parents who both smoke and drink heavily as well as having the latest technology. Consequently there is no money left for food. Children should not be going without food but providing more and more from the State only encourages more dependency from parents and they continue with their lifestyle unaffected. I believe a packet of cigarettes now costs around £12.00 and if both parents smoke this amounts to £24.00 a day which could be spent on food. I honestly don’t know where the answer lies only pointing out what I have seen over the years.

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Thirty years working with children and families not my experience at all.

Or mine Galaxy. Heresay and selfishness. Labelling the poor as undeserving, creating an excuse to do nothing.

Good morning, Elegran, your post of 09:11 sums it up for me. Well done. Calm, even headed and understanding.

Janpt

Just saw this on another thread. Says it all !!
Gwyneth Fri 23-Oct-20 19:27:14
Children often go hungry because their parents choose to spend their money on other things. I agree this is not always the case but during a long career working with children I have seen parents who both smoke and drink heavily as well as having the latest technology. Consequently there is no money left for food. Children should not be going without food but providing more and more from the State only encourages more dependency from parents and they continue with their lifestyle unaffected. I believe a packet of cigarettes now costs around £12.00 and if both parents smoke this amounts to £24.00 a day which could be spent on food. I honestly don’t know where the answer lies only pointing out what I have seen over the years.

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Elegran Galaxy GagaJo GillT57
You just refuse to accept what is here in front of your eyes and want even more doled out to irresponsible parents.

Can I be added to the list with Elegran, Galaxy, GagJo and GillT57 please?
I don't think any of them can be aid to just refuse to accept what is here in front of your eyes and want even more doled out to irresponsible parents
I believe their work and life experience confirms that many families need support from the state for different reasons, at different times. I agree with that pov.

Please add that my name to that list.
I wrote about my own experiences both as a child and a teacher in a school in an area of the highest deprivation in Scotland. I can assure you, not all parents are irresponsible or reckless! Janpt.

Nobody can guarantee that their life will not change for whatever reason, redundancy, illness or a worldwide pandemic.

There should be an adequate safety net to catch them.

Janpt, I have SEEN it. I've been a teacher for a long, long time.

You are victim blaming. People aren't poor because they chose to be. It is a whole cycle from underfunded schools with huge classes resulting in poor education. Poor quality housing. Unemployment or underemployment.

There is a system in place to keep the poor, poor and keep the elite in place. It is deliberate. Multimillionaires in the HOP voting against feeding the most vulnerable in our society while awarding MILLIONS to their friends and family for services they fail to provide. Money that would have fed all of the UK's poor children for 20 years.

It shows our society for what it is. Selfish and greedy. Evil.

Gagajo ?

Alegerias, I do not think the Scottish government is a good example of a proportionate voting. It hasn't stopped the SNP dominating all.

The SNP hold many seats M0nica because of the high proportion of people who voted for them. They got 44% of the vote at the last Scottish election and have 47% of the seats. The Tories got 22% of the vote and hold 24% of the seats, so it works quite well. Its not an exact equivalence, but works much better than the FPTP system at Westminster, where in the last General Election the winners got 44% of the popular vote and have 56% of the seats.

We won't change what Janpt posts. Ninety-nine posters could tell us of their experiences either as children whose parents tried the damnedest but couldn't pull themselves out of a hole by their bootstraps, as teachers who saw the same thing happen to pupils over thirty years of teaching, or as social workers who saw even mor, but Janpt believes that they are the ones who " just refuse to accept what is here in front of your eyes and want even more doled out to irresponsible parents." No, we have seen that most parents are responsible - and we don't believe hunger is a child's fault, even if they had the bad luck to be born to one of the irresponsible ones.

I will now stop trying to move an immoveable object. Think what you like, Janpt. You are in a minority, I am glad to say.

GagaJo

Janpt, I have SEEN it. I've been a teacher for a long, long time.

You are victim blaming. People aren't poor because they chose to be. It is a whole cycle from underfunded schools with huge classes resulting in poor education. Poor quality housing. Unemployment or underemployment.

There is a system in place to keep the poor, poor and keep the elite in place. It is deliberate. Multimillionaires in the HOP voting against feeding the most vulnerable in our society while awarding MILLIONS to their friends and family for services they fail to provide. Money that would have fed all of the UK's poor children for 20 years.

It shows our society for what it is. Selfish and greedy. Evil.

You have missed the point of the post. Which is that people would not be as poor if they spent what they had on necessities and food for their children instead of cigarettes, drink latest technology and other nonessential items.

A small but telling point - school meals are not doled out to parents of any personality - they are given to children who need them.

Elegran

We won't change what Janpt posts. Ninety-nine posters could tell us of their experiences either as children whose parents tried the damnedest but couldn't pull themselves out of a hole by their bootstraps, as teachers who saw the same thing happen to pupils over thirty years of teaching, or as social workers who saw even mor, but Janpt believes that they are the ones who " just refuse to accept what is here in front of your eyes and want even more doled out to irresponsible parents." No, we have seen that most parents are responsible - and we don't believe hunger is a child's fault, even if they had the bad luck to be born to one of the irresponsible ones.

I will now stop trying to move an immoveable object. Think what you like, Janpt. You are in a minority, I am glad to say.

I am well aware of being in the minority on her. This whole site is left wing, full of bigoted left wingers who refuse to accept the obvious. Not only did your party lose the election but you know that given the situation we are in your party could not do any better. You refuse to give credit to a government trying their best in such a difficult situation and will not acknowledge that the behaviour and language of your Deputy Leader was disgusting. Shame on you all !!

Janpt I am a lifelong Conservative voter, even I can see that the Government have/are making mistakes.

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Janpt I am a lifelong Conservative voter, even I can see that the Government have/are making mistakes.

I’m quite impressed gg13 ?.

Janpt can I come and rewire your house? I have no experience or qualifications in the subject but apparently that isnt important these days.

Janpt, there was a lady posted on here last week. She is on Universal Credit. After her rent was paid, she had 18 a week for ALL utilities, food and any other essentials. Now, I don't know about you, but my utilities alone (in a modest house) are more than that.

Where does she find the money for luxuries?

GrannyGravy13

Janpt I am a lifelong Conservative voter, even I can see that the Government have/are making mistakes.

It isn't hard to make that judgement as Gransnet is obviously a left wing site. I accept that the Government have/are making mistakes but as I have said before this situation is unprecedented and I doubt if the Labour Party could have done any better.

And Janpt, NO ONE other than you is banging on about Labour. The election is LONG gone. Move on!