We need a coup

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lemongrove, I so agree with you!

Can anyone tell me why Welsh MPs were allowed to vote on the free meals for English children?

If they had any decency they could at least have abstained.

Jane10 ''Election will come round again.'' - witnessing the massive damage to the country, and to our Parliamentary Democracy in such a short time - I just cannot bear to imagine what will happen in the meantime. Remind us, please, when will the next election be??? Will the country, the Union - still exist by then in the form we have known it for 100s of years?

Apologies for the grammatical issues in my last post. Not for the content of course...

So the MP who now votes by proxy was bluffing, when he threatened that Cummings would sort out the head of our armed forces?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tMdGIinGE0

Quite. But letting 50,000 people die isn't imaginary. And neither is round two which is about to reoccur. OR stealing the money for theirs care and protection.

Actually, my priorities are to my immediate family, I try not to let my imagination run away with me on politics, all administrations do things wrongly at times, every single one of them.

Wishing for a coup ( internal or external) is one thing, but as it’s whistling in the wind, what more can be said than wait four years and vote for a different Party.
Regarding Cummings, he may choose to move on by next year ( I thought he would leave after Brexit) so maybe by Spring anyway. I think posters assign too much power to him anyway ....political aides advise but the power lies with the Cabinet as well as the PM.

And so well put Iam64!

lemongrove

Gaga Prone to exaggeration much?!
Suggesting a coup is batty thinking.

As batty as letting tens of thousands die while you trouser the money supposed to be spent on saving them?

You have funny priorities.

Unless I've missed it, Gaga didn't suggest a military coup d'etat!

We'll leave that to the right wing - who planned to overthrow the Wilson government by such means.

I read the OP as tongue in cheek desperation. Apologies for so misreading Gaga's post.

MaizieD and varian, many thanks for bringing a note of reality to this discussion. Your'e right, there has been something of a silent coup, in plain sight. The majority voted against this government in 2019 and no one voted Demonic in as PM, yet there he is. Whoever said upthread that Alistair Campbell wasn't bullying Blair's strings is spot on.

Janpt, I assume by referring to Angela Raynor's "disgusting behaviour", you're referring to her muttering "scum" at a tory who was setting out all the reasons this country shouldn't feed its poorest, hungriest and most deprived children during the school holidays. this, despite the fact the qualify for free school meals.

Angela Raynor apologised. That's more than any of the government has done, even when forced by Marcus Rashford, a footballer - into a Uturn on its earlier refusal to provide food for children who would usually get a free school meal.
Angela Raynor wrote a moving article in which she said she was that child, the one whose only meal was the school dinner a food was a rare commodity in her home. She confirmed research that shows hungry children struggle to learn "I was that child" she said.
Marcus Rashford's mum had several jobs so she could feed and care for her children. She reluctantly agreed with MUFC that Marcus aged 11 should live with one of the clubs families. He needed building up, needed a better diet than she could afford.
I simply do not understand how anyone can describe Raynor as "disgusting". You go on to say "what an example she sets. Does she make you proud to support the Labour Party". My simple answer is yes, she does. She credits Labour policies like Sure Start, education for Union members and representatives in helping her build a good life, rather than continuing the cycle of deprivation that should could have been destined to.
Angela wasn't my favourite Labour politician but all credit to her. She's a much better politician than the men opposite.

Gaga Prone to exaggeration much?!
Suggesting a coup is batty thinking.

Couldn't agree more on both points MaizieD.

They do whatever the hell benefits themselves and their mates and they are happy to watch the rest of us die of covid (the elderly) or starve (poor children).

And exactly right, re: Cummings. I said on results day and I restate, he is a modern day Rasputin. Brain dead Boris is controlled by him. Can't function without him. Cummings is unsackable. So... a coup.

Absolutely agree with you, varian

And I think that anyone who believes that Cummings is in any way like a normal SPAD is deluding themselves. Campbell wasn't pulling Blair's strings.

Two points Maizie-

I am sure that very many, perhaps most of the folk who voted Conservative in 2019, did not vote for our democracy to be subverted.

Let us all remind ourselves that the majority of those who voted in the 2019 GE actually voted AGAINST this Vote Leave government and its leader Dominic Cummings was never elected by anyone,

Wouldn't it be just great if we lived in a democratic country?

So does no-one, apart from me, think that the government is itself attempting to subvert democracy by putting itself above Parliament and the Law?

I think that is a coup in itself.

Is that what people voted for?

Tut tut, you'll get blamed now on the threads, EllanVannin! It'll all be your fault
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I didn't vote ! It was too cold to go out.

He was an unelected PM at first, Gagajo, before the last GE. He was endorsed by those who voted for the Tories in December 2019.

Gagajo I assume you are referring to
Dominic Cummings who is a SPAD as the unelected leader? All PMs have had SPADS I cannot remember voting for Alastair Campbell!

Boris Johnson was voted as leader of the Conservative party by MPs and Conservative party members, he then went on to win the general election with an eighty seat majority.

It's not an unusual situation, Gagajo, in fact more the norm than not.
fullfact.org/news/unelected-prime-ministers-common-or-not

lemongrove

If the OP started this thread in any seriousness ( surely not!)
Then it will be the worst political thread ever on GN.
We do things by the ballot box here, not by any other means.

No we don't lemongrove. Currently we have an unelected man leading us. No ballot voted him in.

And I beg to differ about the worst thread. I had a look at some of the old political threads yesterday.

And frankly, I do think we should be thinking about how to get some of the worst offenders out. They're going to bankrupt Britain, not to mention kill off another 50k or so of us over the winter.

I agree with others that there won't be a coup in the accepted sense.

However, I do think that after 1 January, the politics in the country is going to change. People are going to be living with the reality of Brexit and I think it will depend on how things work out, especially in the former Labour heartlands. If they don't get what they were promised, there could be some very unhappy people - and some MPs who could see their seats returning to Labour. The trouble is that many of those "new" MPs are hard right UKIP wannabes and I wouldn't want them setting the agenda.

I think 2022 is going to be quite interesting and I doubt very much if the same Conservative front bench will be in charge.