We need a coup

In that case so many people should not have voted them in.

They did vote them in and that's what we have got, are you saying to do anything illegal to bring about their demise?

That would put a lot of people in prison.

Definatly agree with M0nica on this one. No way should there be a coup.

Other countries will have got rid while we here will still be pussy-footing around and dithering with lockdowns for the next 12 months. Exactly EV. Prolonging the pain.

I am not naive enough to believe a word of the propaganda that comes out of China EV Really Sodapop? How about the word of a Geordie teacher, living there. In our conversation last week, 'Life is back to normal.' In the words of a 31 year old Surrey girl, living there, gave birth there a few months ago. 'I feel safer here than I would at home.* The virus started there, but it has also ended there, while we stand and watch our people die.

Anything less would be to descend to the level of a third-world dictatorship, characterised by tyranny We are already there Elegran. They are stealing the money needed to save lives. Much as 3rd world dictators do with aid they are given. They are breaking the laws and rules made to protect us. As dictators do.

We really need to wake up. How much worse does it have to get before we realise, they need to be got rid of?

It's all posturing and rule making a far as I am concerned all this tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 is getting out of hand and all the different parts of the country are doing there own thing. I keep hearing people talk about Scotland Wales England and N.
Ireland and the division amongst all of them and it is correct we should all be in this together.

I am not in one of the highest tier areas but there are still restrictions in place. One of my local shops that I was in yesterday was busy and this thing about face coverings is a joke and I can say that about 1 person in 7 was wearing a face covering. I asked the manager what is going on in here and he said he had no enforcement to make people cover the face. So to me it is sodding ridiculous. Where I live even if we went into tier 3 at least 50% of people would be breaking the rules.

"You talk of changes being made legally . . . Our leaders are criminals. Someone needs to take them out." But not with a coup that is void of legality, but not by"taking them out" if by that you mean by force or worse. Any replacement regime must be legitimate and have no blood on its hands or skeletons in its cupboard. Anything less would be to descend to the level of a third-world dictatorship, characterised by tyranny and modified by assassination.

I am not naive enough to believe a word of the propaganda that comes out of China EV

I think we cannot continue with the lock down approach to dealing with the virus. More people are dying from other things now than the virus, we are creating a disastrous situation for our children's future and that of our grandchildren. We need to look more toward supporting vulnerable people and start a gradual return to a more normal way of life for others.

The army were part of the logistics team moving supplies around the UK. Gagajo

If our armed forces were mobilised onto UK streets there would be thread after thread on GN decrying the decision.

Yes, the army, anything to make people understand as clearly they don't.
I wonder if those who swanned off during the summer without a care have contracted it ?

Other countries will have got rid while we here will still be pussy-footing around and dithering with lockdowns for the next 12 months.

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EllanVannin

It's screaming out loud that we should have had a total lockdown, no ifs, no buts.

What is "screaming out loud" to me is that people should have followed the rules ..... whereas we are all aware, even here on GN, that people haven't.

And in that case, they should put the army on the streets. During the last lockdown, the army were preparing for it.

EllanVannin

It's screaming out loud that we should have had a total lockdown, no ifs, no buts.

What is "screaming out loud" to me is that people should have followed the rules ..... whereas we are all aware, even here on GN, that people haven't.

Well lets face it GG13, they won't go willingly, will they? That is what coup means. The police are powerless to stop them when they break rules. They steal from the public purse and no one stops them. They lie, on camera, in front of the world and nothing happens. How else do you suggest they are held to account? If they do this when the nation is in crisis, what are they capable of in normal times?

And no, I haven't been drinking. I have been marking student work. I am a functioning and productive member of society, unlike the vast majority of our government.

It's screaming out loud that we should have had a total lockdown, no ifs, no buts.

Why not sodapop ? They got rid of it too.
Can you suggest anything ?

I hardly think we should be looking to China considering their role in this pandemic.

Gagajo. someone needs to take them out ? Have you been on the hard stuff ?

Ooops, sorry. It was Elegran that spoke of it being done legally.

Thank you vampirequeen. We have the wholesale plunder of the very funds that we desperately need to save lives going on in front of us, not even being hidden.

When we got the election results, I vowed to stay away from politics. Our system is broken but the stranglehold of power is so tight, it can't be changed. I accepted that and disengaged.

It is ONLY because of the pandemic that we need this action. If it hadn't been for that, I wouldn't have the slightest interest in their corrupt machinations.

But we are dying in our thousands. We need a very strong leader to take control. And unfortunately, we are stuck with probably the worst PM we have had in decades.

Any politician that can steal public money while the countries citizens die deserves to be in prison. It is as if we are becoming a 3rd world country, with the level of corruption our leaders are indulging themselves in.

You talk of changes being made legally MOnica. Our leaders are criminals. Someone needs to take them out.

The current crisis would test the mettle of anyone as who'd have thought we were going to have a pandemic on top of the nonsensical Brexit as well ?
I admit that the government have gone the wrong way about things concerning the handling of this virus and should have followed what they did in China where it began and where their population is greater than ours.

In China, they physically went from door to door, prompted aggressive quarantining and authoritarian measures to stem the virus but it paid off. Would the UK stand for this kind of treatment ? Not to mention what happened to those who broke the law there !

Spared JC? Do you really believe that he would have cocked it up even more than this lot? Do you really believe he would have been so corrupt and given £billions to his mates, deprived the NHS of much needed funding and deliberately not made a deal with the EU?

Well it's academic anyway. We live in a democracy and the people voted for this lot. They knew Johnson was a liar. They knew that the Tories had been corrupt for the previous 10 years . They knew that the rich had got richer and the poor had got poorer. They knew all of this but still voted them in so they got what they voted for. The most corrupt government this country has ever had.

Time for Guy Fawkes.

GrannyGravy13 Lizzzie is quite happy with how things are ..shes being compensated for her INVESTMENTS failing to do well..its only the rest of us that might lose the roofs over our heads .Thats why we are SUBJECTS and she is queen.
This needs the people rising ,sadly the apathy makes that very unlikely even Tory voters dont like how the WM government is being run for the benefit of the PM's pals but they wnt stand up and say so

I am horrified that anyone on Gransnet could even contemplate, let alone suggest, that we need a coup.

Britain is, and has been for many centuries a democrat country and has been proud to take our model of democracy to the rest of the world. isn't bad enough that we have this dreadful incompetent,in charge of our government, surely we do not want to reduce ourselves to the level of some tinpot country run by dictators.

The ony thing that keeps me going is the thought that the alternative at the last election was Jeremy Corbyn and at least we have been spared that. I talk only of the personal merits (if any) of our current leader and Corbyn. What party they lead or policies they espoused are immaterial.

Not a coup, or even an overthrow, yet. BJ will be replaced, next spring is my guess then a new team will take over. Hunt didn’t impress me although I’m sure he is a nice guy, Gove is my bet and the first dismissal will be Cummings.

Can anyone think of a single person on either side of the house who might make a good job of it?