We need a coup

So, Jan As an extension to your school's admirable ethos, did you work out for yourself that it was OK "to abandon those in need " ?

Fair enough Elianne, I'm not that familiar with how Eton operates and can only go by what was reported.

I'm not sure that Eton schoolboys are known for being caring though, especially not the one we have in charge of the country right now.

Maizie Are you sure that there haven't substituted an R for an N there?

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MaizieD
No school teaches pupils to be scornful of those who have not achieved success in the struggle
I think that Eton does,Elegran.
You beat me to itMaizie. Did you read the recent New Statesman article about how pupils there are taught to win at any cost?

Ahem, it's very easy to highlight the bits you want to.
I offer this from Eton's school statement:
Our School Culture is based on:

Number One Priority
Caring

The political position of most of the posters on Gransnet used to be somewhere in the centre - some centre left, some centre right, plus a few way out in either direction. I know that my own contributions have in the past been on the lines that each party has a different plan and policy, but that they were all genuine in their belief that their view would be best for the country - the whole country.

It is only in the last few years that posters have turned generally against the current Government, and that is because of the antics of a small group of political opportunists who saw in a general dissatisfaction with the EU a chance to raise their visibilty and power by espousing the popular "cause" of "freedom" and then by exploiting the resulting deep divisions. People in high positions have shown their venality by awarding lucrative contracts to friends and family, their opinion of their own rules by breaking them, the value they put respectively on themselves and the citizens of the future by voting for a large raise for MPs and a hungry half-term for children relying on school meals in an economy in very bad shape.

If the political landscape were to return to a reasonable balance, so would the ratio of posts supporting one or other party. While the right is making itself unacceptable, of course there will be more posters favouring the left.

MaizieD

^No school teaches pupils to be scornful of those who have not achieved success in the struggle^

I think that Eton does, Elegran.

You beat me to it Maizie Did you read the recent New Statesman article about how pupils there are taught to win at any cost?

Elegran

Whatever his shade of politics, right or left, a leader looks after his/her people, particularly the coming generation who are the future of the nation.

It is a good thing to take a pride in your achievements, but for every family which comes out of the scrum of "winner takes all" in possession of the ball of achievement, and can race to the touchline with it, assured of roars of approval, a glow of pride and a successful career with a decent ininterrupted salary, there are many who were handicapped from the start.

No school teaches pupils to be scornful of those who have not achieved success in the struggle and competition of life or to believe they should not be treated charitably. Well, not since Mr Squeers and his cane, or the orphanage where a starving Oliver Twist was foolhardy enough to ask for his meagre bowl of unappetising gruel to be refilled.

If you expect us to believe that you learnt to abandon those in need in a classroom, *Janpt" pull the other one. Perhaps you are just enjoying playing at being shocking?

You have misunderstood. Everyone can take pride in their own achievements no matter how great or small. Where did I say I was taught to abandon those in need or be scornful of others ?

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No school teaches pupils to be scornful of those who have not achieved success in the struggle

I think that Eton does, Elegran.

Whatever his shade of politics, right or left, a leader looks after his/her people, particularly the coming generation who are the future of the nation.

It is a good thing to take a pride in your achievements, but for every family which comes out of the scrum of "winner takes all" in possession of the ball of achievement, and can race to the touchline with it, assured of roars of approval, a glow of pride and a successful career with a decent ininterrupted salary, there are many who were handicapped from the start.

No school teaches pupils to be scornful of those who have not achieved success in the struggle and competition of life or to believe they should not be treated charitably. Well, not since Mr Squeers and his cane, or the orphanage where a starving Oliver Twist was foolhardy enough to ask for his meagre bowl of unappetising gruel to be refilled.

If you expect us to believe that you learnt to abandon those in need in a classroom, *Janpt" pull the other one. Perhaps you are just enjoying playing at being shocking?

Marydoll

^This whole site is definitely left wing^.
As you probably don't know any of us personally, how on earth can you make that sweeping statement?
You are making assumptions based on what you have read from a small number of posters, but can you provide hard evidence that the majority on this site are on the left?

There are tens of thousands of members, from all over the world, do you know the political views of all?

Sorry, I was referring to this thread in particular but basing my judgment on some of my posts which have been deleted and other posts which haven't.

This whole site is definitely left wing.
As you probably don't know any of us personally, how on earth can you make that sweeping statement?
You are making assumptions based on what you have read from a small number of posters, but can you provide hard evidence that the majority on this site are on the left?

There are tens of thousands of members, from all over the world, do you know the political views of all?

Yes the result of the American election will be very important for the way things go over here.

I'm well known on this forum for my views on Brexits and I do despair that the Tories are hell bent on finishing the Brexit process no matter what. Brexit of any form is bad for Britain but just how bad we will not know until next year.

They have not handled Covid well though to be fair it was not of their making. Patchy adherrance to scientific advice and an insistence on subcontracting to dubious third parties has made matters worse than they would have been had common sense prevailed.

What really makes me concerned is the influence of the right way faction and their hold over parliament. The likes of Dominic Cummings should have no place in government. The subservience of sections of the media has kept much of the population unaware of the true state of our democracy.

The vote.leave cabale never expected to win in June 2016, back then we believed a second referendum or other rethink would have restored sanity. However despite mass protests and 2 general elections the fall into anarchy has not been stopped. I fear that next year we may see riots and civil unrest which could force a coup of some kind.

We all know where the fault lies. A flawed electoral system, a lack of political education, poor leadership of the main political parties since before 2010 have all led to us into sleeping into the current situation. This has allowed criminal vested interests to take control, lying by politicians to become more blatant and regarded as normal. Apathy rules and trust has been destroyed.

We do need a change in attitude by politicians but will a new broom be any better? There are some good Tories and able people in other parties; those with conscience have been hounded out by extremes of left and right. The referendum opened the gates to the present crop tax dodging oligarch backed bunch of crooks, they have been unmasked but getting rid of them and holding them to account is no nearer.

A revolution will happen but when and how remains to be seen. If Trump loses that will help to foster a positive change here and even start to put Putin and other power grabbing dictators into touch.

Marydoll

In all my years as a teacher, I have never had experience of a school, which taught either right or left wing views. Any teacher doing that would be guilty of misconduct.
I find it a very strange comment to make.

What I do find amusing is yesterday, a poster accused the majority of posters of being right wing, then someone else came along later and accused the majority of being left wing.?

We should be able to express our views without fear of personal remarks being directed at us or of directing them at others.
When you resort to being offensive, you have lost the argument.

I don't know where you found a poster accusing the majority of posters being right wing. This whole site is definitely left wing and only I and a few others are right wing. I would be interested to see who posted to the contrary.

In all my years as a teacher, I have never had experience of a school, which taught either right or left wing views. Any teacher doing that would be guilty of misconduct.
I find it a very strange comment to make.

What I do find amusing is yesterday, a poster accused the majority of posters of being right wing, then someone else came along later and accused the majority of being left wing.?

We should be able to express our views without fear of personal remarks being directed at us or of directing them at others.
When you resort to being offensive, you have lost the argument.

Janpt I went to a school where we were taught that we had a christian duty to help all those who needed help. A teaching re-enforced at home by my parents, staunch Conservatives, both by word and example.

This what the welfare state does. I think you are very gullible in believing every thing you see on tv. If you listened to the radio more, try R4 and You and Yours, or Analysis, you would get a very different picture of the difficulties facing so many people.

Of course there is some fraud, show me a system for anything that is absolutely perfect, but I would prefer to tolerate a small number of false claims to ensure that everyone in need gets help.

More the sort of school where people were taught to take pride in their achievements and not to expect to live on government handouts. Can you name a school that teaches children to live on government handouts? I have no experience of, or have ever heard of such a school.

You are full of vague accusations but remarkably free of specific cases and evidence that these practices are common.

..watch some.... not (spoken!)

You need to watch spoken old documentaries about pre war Italy and Germany ClareAB , you would then see what facism really is and realise that is not what we have!!

Frankly if the government does back down over the hungry children, it will be all too late.

Everyone is now all too aware of their true instincts.

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What we need is a government staffed by representatives of the people rather than 'the party'
What we have now is fascism.

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Possibly all the right gifts
But not necessarily in the right order.

Good post Algrias.