Farcical - UK wants access to EU gates at airports to avoid queues

Maggiemaybe

Surely only someone who’s never been to the US could imply that it’s lacking in endless choice and possibilities!

There is much more to the USA than Disney and Las Vegas.

The food and scenery in Turkey are lovely but I wouldn’t go there now as it’s being run by an Islamic fundamentalist who wants to turn the clock back as far as women’s rights are concerned.

I wouldn’t go to the USA either while it’s being run by Trump and the gun lobby. Not that we can go anywhere much at the moment.

Crikey there are a few on here who are either in denial, or who just haven't grasped the reality. If you quit the gym, you can't throw a tantrum when they won't let you in to use the pool.

GrannyGravy13

Maggiemaybe

Surely only someone who’s never been to the US could imply that it’s lacking in endless choice and possibilities!

There is much more to the USA than Disney and Las Vegas.

Well yes, and we have visited so many times- and hope to go again one day- plans for San Fran and Yellowstone- but at the moment, wouldn't go anywhere near.

But you miss the point- from Luton I can fly to Paris in 1 hour, to Sout of France in 1.30- to Southern Spain in 2.00-
and by car we just jump in the car in the morning and we are in the UK by the end of the afternoon, and home or at daughters' for supper.

About 8 hours to NY and about 12 to San Fran- can't just come and go as you please- and they never did build that bridge or Tunnel have they?

To answer the OP....it isn’t farcical, it’s practical, and part of negotiations.If the answer is no, then we will cope, much as we did before we were EU members.I went to many different countries with no problems in those years before .....and have encountered many long queues at certain airports when we
were part of the EU.

.biba70 we can still drive anywhere in Europe just have to ensure that the the necessary paperwork is in order.

We can still fly anywhere in Europe, just join a different queue.

Nobody on this thread has been decrying Turkey at all. Where on earth did you get that ridiculous idea from, *Firecracke

It's OK, you know. We Europhiles perfectly understand that added travel complications are a small price to pay for our glorious liberation from the evil EU.

I'm not sure if younger generations will be so impressed with your 'We did it before' argument. They don't live in the past. They're used to free movement in the EU.

GG gravy, you can't drive to the USA- was my point.

As for Turkey, not decrying it at all- it was Farage and other Brexiters who tried to decry and raise fear re Turkey joining the EU. Been there several times.

MaizieD

Nobody on this thread has been decrying Turkey at all. Where on earth did you get that ridiculous idea from, *Firecracke

I did it - I did. I wouldn’t visit there - don’t you know about its human rights record?

As for ferries and Tunnel, and Kent- most of us who live across the border currently don't fly but drive- happily and without issue, back and forth- with our dogs. It is going to be a nightmare. And we don't do so for 'holidays' but because we want to see our children and grandchildren, friends and loved ones.

And yes- I can hear you already 'ah well, why did you move away then- serves you right- made your bed, etc. Fact is we made our bed, very carefully- and it is being torn apart.

For starters
www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/

And again
www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/turkey

The beautiful Caribbean is open for business and would welcome visitors with open arms.

We are coming up to the best time to go now with the hurricane season coming to an end in a month or so.

Regarding the alleged horrendous queues to get into EU countries I have every confidence any early problems will be quickly sorted out.

I don’t want to stop the doom and gloom brigade from venting though ?

Great, can I drive there with my dog in a day, perhaps?

And even then - my family does not live in the Carribean. I don't own property in the Carribean, and I don't pay taxes there either. For many of us, this is NOT about a holiday- but about our family.

But you totally miss the point anyhow- those up in arms and venting in the UK, are not us remainers, but the peoplewho voted for Brexit- and are now complaining it will have consequences. Turkey - or Turkeys, for Christmas.

I have a GC in mainland Europe, nothing to stop me getting in the car and driving to see them on 01/01/2021, just have to ensure all our paperwork is in order, cannot see the problem.

Covid-19 is causing more travel restrictions and upheavals than the end of the withdrawal agreement!

JenniferEccles hopefully we shall be revisiting the Caribbean very soon.

Yes, totally missing the point again.

You really need to tell your Brexiter friends that- they are the ones doing the venting- check the tabloid Press sites and see their comments. Not for the fainthearted.

biba7 no point to miss, as for reading The Tabloids no thank you very much.

I prefer to wait until the full facts are known, speculation is not good for ones soul.

I do believe in this instance, that the goose is cooked- because of the not sharing terrorism intelligence- and because it is an essential part of Schengen and EU. The UK had a massive exception before as it refused to be part of Schengen.

Agreed though, that it is not good for the soul- for some of us, the consequences will be massive- those of us who come and go between EU and UK not for holidays, but for our families. Perso, as you well know MawB2, both OH and I have two passports- so this small part will not affect us at airports- massive queues and trouble at the Tunnel will, in a big way.

The point here however- is that those going berserk about this- are the Brexiters, who voted for this- which is so ironical.

Aparently because we haven’t (in theory) needed a passport to travel to EU the Biometric system wasn’t set up to check UK passports, other countries US, Canada and others was. So until they get the system changed we have to have them stamped and yes, it will slow down the immigration queues.

Davidhs

Aparently because we haven’t (in theory) needed a passport to travel to EU the Biometric system wasn’t set up to check UK passports, other countries US, Canada and others was. So until they get the system changed we have to have them stamped and yes, it will slow down the immigration queues.

I have used my Bio-Metric passport in the machines at Schipol Airport (Amsterdam) and Portugal not sure if your information is 100% correct.

'Imagine a war breaking out and they turned round and said "you're on your own, mate " '
Wouldn't happen. We remain a part of NATO.

Mrs May knows, re security and intelligence/terrorism sharing, and Gove knows it too, I am absolutely sure

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/utter-rubbish-theresa-may-incredulous-at-michael-goves-brexit-claims

Membership of the EU also gave the UK access to all manner of databases related to internal security. Until the end of the transition period, the UK has full access to:

Passenger name records
The European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS)
The Prum database of DNA records
The Secure Information Exchange Network Application
The Schengen Information System (SIS II)

The Schengen Information System, for example, allows participating countries to share alerts on law enforcement in real time. That means when anyone gets checked anywhere, other countries know about it straight away.

Police officers use it on a daily basis to try to trace people with warrants issued against them, defendants or witnesses absconding from court, stolen cars, missing people or those under surveillance.

Richard Martin, deputy assistant commissioner with the Metropolitan Police. told MPs in July that British officials checked SIS II some 603 million times last year, and everyone involved in security agrees that it is incredibly useful.

But under current rules you can only get full access to SIS II if you're in the EU or in the Schengen area (which allows for passport-free travel between most EU member states and some other European countries).

There are other international databases that the UK will be able to use, but Mr Martin said they would not be as quick or effective as the current "at your fingertips" system.

Mr Martin, who heads up Brexit preparation for the National Police Chiefs' Council, also told MPs that using ECRIS takes about six days to get criminal records from other European countries for suspects in the UK. Without such access, he said, it would take 10 times longer.