Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Not surprised GG13. People continue to underestimate his popularity. I have had a flood of pro-JC comments on my social media this afternoon.

Since 2015 this ' debate ' as to whether or not Corbyn on becoming Labour Party leader would/ had moved Labour into a position of becoming/became antisemetic has taken place on Gransnet. At times very opposite positions have been taken by Gransnet posters to say the least.

From 2015 on Gransnet there have been strong feelings on both sides of the debate and todays findings will no doubt not alter the mind of those who have refused to admit there was anything to this sad period of the Labour Party history, no matter how much or how many times factual stories /evidence was provided to justify the reasons why those with the opposite opinion remotely had a point.

Today sadly years later and after so much hatred, so much bile has been spewed there has finally been a conclusion made but it will never change minds and hearts of Corbyn and those who surrounded him in the Labour Party which became the Jeremy For Leader/Momentum Party that ran the nuts and bolts of Labour at that time.

It will never change the hearts and minds of those who supported Corbyn et al who refused then and will even after today's findings never believe there was so much as a whiff of antisemitism during his tenure as Labour Leader.

I feel there has now been a correct and appropriate conclusion as to the matter of antisemitism in Labour under Corbyn, from the time of his nomination as Labour Leader to his losing the Leadership.

It has shown the voices who stood up and spoke out against the antisemitism and refused to be cowed for doing so have been exonerated and I for one am happy that was my position and I think there are a few other posters who possibly share that position.

As for Corbyn being 'suspended ' there was no kindness nor consideration of the feelings of those Labour MP's/Councillors et al who suffered under his tenure with hatred/conspiracy theories/personal attack of the worst kind I find it difficult to say anything favourable so that is my position.

The Labour Party will no doubt have a period that resembles the divided party it became under Corbyn/Momentum after today's news. I think it will be difficult to undo the damage caused by Corbyn/Momentum but I truly hope the Labour Party can be dominated by fair minded politicians who accept the position it fi ds itself in but in all honesty I think there will be some difficult days ahead when the 'silent' raise their ugly head again now that Corbyn has been suspended. I hope I am proved mistaken as Labour does not deserve to be tarred with actions of the Corbyn era.

Well there's no room in the prisons for both parties of anti's,
Labour---Anti-Semitism.
Conservative---Islamophobia.

Both considered to be breaking/ acting against the law on racism with harassment thrown in.

We'll await further rumblings/ ramblings from the not so squeaky-clean Starmer the puppet.

Amen

During the Labour leadership election, Sir Kier Starmer said he would not tolerate anti-Semitism should he be the next Leader. A politician who does what he says. I suppose it it too much to ask that this following through on promises might rub off on other MP's.

EllanVannin well said ?

Well said POGS

I await the same as was done to Kinnock, Corbyn ran a campaign from his own home to defend those who had been
expelled and to get them back in the party, the likes of
Derek Hatton.

Lots of support for Jeremy on Twitter

100% behind you Jeremy! I cannot continue to support a party that treats their finest politician so badly! Shame on starmer and all the backstabbing MP's who caused us to lose the election
Labour party isn't fit for purpose without you.

Used the fund Jeremy and sue them. Make them pay for what they’ve done to you and party. Starmer has completely ignored McNichols/Matthews and PLPs part in this. Which EHRC report alludes too. It’s corruption. Take our party back. Make sure it can never happen again. #WeAreCorbyn

Lest we forget...
2010 Brown 258 seats 29.0% of vote
2015 Milliband 232 seats 30.4%
2017 Corbyn 262 seats 40.0%+massive increase in mmbrship
2019 Corbyn 203 seats 32.2% despite unrelenting smearing and a ‘lies pandemic’…
And 41 defeats of Tory govt bills:

"If the Socialist Campaign group resign the whip and launch a new party they will have half a million members by sunday dinner time." g'wan g'wan g'wan Jezza we need a new party and you are the man to start it!

They don't care about rooting out anti-semitism, their only care was to root out anyone who dared speak out against the establishment. You're a good man, you deserved a lot better.

Not a cult, no not at all.

Those who think twitter is a reflection of the real world will get the same shock as they did in the last general election.

Grany

Lots of support for Jeremy on Twitter

100% behind you Jeremy! I cannot continue to support a party that treats their finest politician so badly! Shame on starmer and all the backstabbing MP's who caused us to lose the election
Labour party isn't fit for purpose without you.

Used the fund Jeremy and sue them. Make them pay for what they’ve done to you and party. Starmer has completely ignored McNichols/Matthews and PLPs part in this. Which EHRC report alludes too. It’s corruption. Take our party back. Make sure it can never happen again. #WeAreCorbyn

Lest we forget...
2010 Brown 258 seats 29.0% of vote
2015 Milliband 232 seats 30.4%
2017 Corbyn 262 seats 40.0%+massive increase in mmbrship
2019 Corbyn 203 seats 32.2% despite unrelenting smearing and a ‘lies pandemic’…
And 41 defeats of Tory govt bills:

"If the Socialist Campaign group resign the whip and launch a new party they will have half a million members by sunday dinner time." g'wan g'wan g'wan Jezza we need a new party and you are the man to start it!

They don't care about rooting out anti-semitism, their only care was to root out anyone who dared speak out against the establishment. You're a good man, you deserved a lot better.

What a ridiculous post. The best thing Starmer has done so far.

I don't think that Corbyn is anti-semitic. I think that his biggest problem is that he is a campaigner, not a politician. Because of this he is most familiar with activists, surrounded himself with them, allowed them to run riot and was unable to draw the diverse sections of the LP together.

The criticism that seems to be most strongly coming from the report is that the party's procedures for dealing with anti-semitism were chaotic and ad hoc, which let people get away with a great deal and didn't give confidence in their procedures.

That he is not a politician is, for me, evidenced by his statement today. He should have just kept quiet instead of more or less saying that it was unfair because he thought that the accusations were exaggerated. Starmer could hardly let him get away with that when he himself had just stated that there should be no excuses made for the past. I do actually think that Corbyn is probably correct, but he chose absolutely the wrong moment to say it.

My twitter timeline is full of pros and antis, which clearly reflects current feeling.

I equally don't believe that Starmer is particularly right wing. Dealing with the anti-semitism problem is not anti socialism.

I think it's interesting that some of the criticism of the current government is that it consists of campaigners, which is why it's chaotic and seems to have no clear strategy or concern for the country. They can run a campaign, but not a country. Corbyn is a great campaigner but he can't run a party.

I find it strange that people say these complaints could not be properly investigated because there were factions working against the leader. I think it was WW2 who said 'It was always thus' and she is right. I have been a member of the Party for a long time and every leader has had factions against their person. That is no excuse for not doing a thorough job of investigating. As leader you have the power to appoint people who will investigate properly and sideline those who don't facilitate the investigation. One has to wonder why the top officials in the leader's office didn't do so. I'm pretty sure the leader would have had his own people/supporters in there.
As for people leaving the Party, some will go for ever and find themselves a new political home with like minded people. Others, mainly I suspect, the young cohort who joined in 2015, will grow in experience of life, work and politics and make a more informed decision as to where they want to put their vote and political enthusiasm. That goes for every generation. I have friends who were dyed in the wool socialists when young but now vote solid Tory and friends who were dyed in the wool Tories who now vote Socialist. It happens. Keir will steer a Party steeped in true Labour values and many of us will remain members to assist the party to elect a Labour Government.

Having looked at the report I see one of its biggest complaints is the lack of training in anti-semitism for staff members and thatthe course they decided to use at Birbeck College was only academic and not practical. It had in fact been an attempt to professionalise something that had previously been provided by volunteers from the Jewish Labour Group. It is impossible to know what would have been the conclusion had the training still been delivered by volunteers. I did "google" to see if I could discover what practical training for staff was available but most of what came up was education training for students. I know some people on GN have more knowledge about training than I do so I wonder does anyone know of a professionally delivered practical training course in anti-semitism? The Birbeck College course was prepared specially for the LP www.politicshome.com/news/article/row-as-jewish-labour-movement-is-replaced-as-partys-antisemitism-training-provider

It is interesting to read the differing views of Labour Party members and supporters here.

I would like to ask whether any of you think that the Labour Party is about to split.

Very difficult to say varian. It is a very tricky time for Starmer and the labour party but its nothing that the party hasnt been through before. If I had to put money on it I would say no, forming new parties is almost impossible, change uk is fresh in everyone's minds.

trisher

Having looked at the report I see one of its biggest complaints is the lack of training in anti-semitism for staff members and thatthe course they decided to use at Birbeck College was only academic and not practical. It had in fact been an attempt to professionalise something that had previously been provided by volunteers from the Jewish Labour Group. It is impossible to know what would have been the conclusion had the training still been delivered by volunteers. I did "google" to see if I could discover what practical training for staff was available but most of what came up was education training for students. I know some people on GN have more knowledge about training than I do so I wonder does anyone know of a professionally delivered practical training course in anti-semitism? The Birbeck College course was prepared specially for the LP www.politicshome.com/news/article/row-as-jewish-labour-movement-is-replaced-as-partys-antisemitism-training-provider

If you want it as an individual, there is/was an excellent course run by the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem. It is on future learn. I learned a huge amount and not least that I have it about right and my criticism of Israel is perfectly acceptable. I highly recommend it if that is the sort of thing you are looking for

Future Learn.

If the post that thousands have already been raised to support
Corbyn is correct, perhaps conservatives are donating , a split
of the Labour Party would be so helpful to win the next election

Pathetic

Anniebach

If the post that thousands have already been raised to support
Corbyn is correct, perhaps conservatives are donating , a split
of the Labour Party would be so helpful to win the next election

Dream on !

I’ve been mulling over how to say this. I accept, even as I post, that I’m not quite saying what I want to say, but these are my thoughts.

Many of those who have rushed to support Corbin are people who if they heard “Its been exaggerated” applied to incidents that the BAME communities suffer would rightly challenge that and rise up in protest.

So they are not people who reject the idea of racism and prejudice. But they do reject it when it applies to the Jewish community.

The report has highlighted and condemned the anti-semitism within the Labour Party. It was/is real. To dismiss it and to support a former leader who dismisses it confirms how very real and pervasive it is.

Anniebach unfortunately if the Labour Party were to split the Conservatives could be in power for many more years and without a credible opposition to hold them to account.

As a moderate Conservative I find that quite scary!!

Illte

I’ve been mulling over how to say this. I accept, even as I post, that I’m not quite saying what I want to say, but these are my thoughts.

Many of those who have rushed to support Corbin are people who if they heard “Its been exaggerated” applied to incidents that the BAME communities suffer would rightly challenge that and rise up in protest.

So they are not people who reject the idea of racism and prejudice. But they do reject it when it applies to the Jewish community.

The report has highlighted and condemned the anti-semitism within the Labour Party. It was/is real. To dismiss it and to support a former leader who dismisses it confirms how very real and pervasive it is.

That is exactly what Starmer said this afternoon.

That is why Corbyn has been suspended pending an enquiry and why Starmer has let it be known that anyone denying the report will also be suspended.

Starmer has put a process into place to do just that.

Whitewavemark2 Thanks for that, but the training I was referring to is the sort the LP should apparently have had in place. As I said training before 2018 was provided by volunteers from the Jewish Labour Movement. Now I can't think of any other area where professional training from volunteers would be considered acceptable and so that was repalced by a course specially planned at Birbeck College, which apparently was too academic. So I wondered what practical workplace professional training was available. It would need to be very wide based covering all sorts of things like law,social media, evidence gathering etc. I'm quite prepared to believe the training wasn't good enough but I am wondering what training would be?

I’m sure there is plenty. The civil service has that sort of course and it existed even in my time.

It was called diversity training and covered every area.

I bet the teachers have experienced a similar course on here and other people in their working life.