Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

The EHRC said in report in many instances there were improvements

Yes the right political interference came from the right to damage the Left leader see the video about the leaked report I posted

@Grany
I suspect those that left the Labour party or are thinking of leaving were, in fact, closet Marxists. They should join a new party with their Militant comrades. Jeremy should be leader. They'd be far happier and so would the Labour Party.
No doubt they would do very well, though somehow I wonder..

With Petra on this one!

trisher The report has a section on Political Interference: p42

It does say that interference came from a number of sources, but it includes the LOTO staff.

I'm not clear on this; would the LOTO staff include right wingers?

A timeline of Jeremy Corbyn’s key interventions and public statements about tackling antisemitism

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321933303147122688.html

GrannyGravy13

If this splits the Labour Party it will be a gift to the Conservatives for many years to come.

And an utter tragedy for any true democrat

The GN Corbyn supporters are all rushing to his defence, saying the same things he is saying ‘It wasn’t me Guv!’ All the fault of somebody else apparently including ‘right wing’ people within the LP.What he should be saying is that actually all the anti-Semitic stuff comes from the very left wing people, and failing that, at least an acceptance of the findings.

I think Starmer is doing well so far and hope it continues.
Now that the threat of a Corbyn/McDonnell government is over, there is the hope of a reasonable Labour Party to vote for in four years time.

suziewoozie I agree, without a credible opposition party the far right in the Conservative Party will have a free rein

I agree lemon !

Corbyn was always an easy target for the right wing media, but Starmer will be much more difficult for them to demonise.

bmacca Here's the link ok ?

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321933303147122688.html

suziewoozie

GrannyGravy13

If this splits the Labour Party it will be a gift to the Conservatives for many years to come.

And an utter tragedy for any true democrat

... and for all the people in the country who have suffered from austerity, the privatisation of public services, etc.

My (admittedly faulty) crystal ball tells me that there is about to be a huge number of people who realise that the safety net they thought was there, doesn't actually exist.

And who knows what Brexit will bring?

A little bit of cheer

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 42% (+5)
CON: 37% (-3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
GRN: 5% (-)

Far too early to either matter or be reliable Whitewave
Almost anything can happen in the next four years.

MaizieD the LOTO staff interference was longstanding. It had gone on since Blair if not before him. If staff in an organisation are used to referring things to a certain group of people they will for the most part continue to behave in the same manner no matter who is in charge, and it takes time, effort and energy to stop them behaving the way they always have done. If at the same time some of those staff don't believe you should be in charge and are actively encouraged in that belief by others then you are going to have to spend more time and energy undoing past practices. Was the interference wrong, of course it was, but the idea that it either began with Corbyn or that he was entirely responsible for its continuance is ludicrous.

lemongrove

Far too early to either matter or be reliable Whitewave
Almost anything can happen in the next four years.

This poll is a reaction to the development in the LP!!

Nothing to do with an election, but approval for action taken.

Bulls**t Soldiersailor. Socialism and Marxism are totally different. If you don't know the difference, that error is yours , not the left of centre LP members.

@soldiersailor, I agree.

Jeremy Corbyn always reminded me of the activists who used to stand outside our student union at lunchtime every day in the late 1960s, handing out Marxist Society leaflets and trying to flog copies of the Socialist Worker.

One of those Marxist a society leaflets - taken and thrust in a coat pocket without my having even looked at it - got me into trouble back home when my mother borrowed that coat to nip to the shops!
My folks thought I’d been ‘got at’ - wouldn’t listen to my protestations that I wasn’t remotely interested - in any politics then, TBH.

Not of interest to the many here but Wales has the Senydd ‘The Welsh Parliament’ election next May

Franbern Though not Jewish I know many people in the LP who are Jewish and they have a similar experience and views to your own.

I do not think it is far fetched to see this whole sorry saga as a deliberate orchestration to divide the left and bring the LP back to Blairite values. I am certain there will be individuals in the LP who are anti Semitic as regretfully there are in any large organisation. If the processes to tackle incidents were not effective then that is a disgrace for any political party but especially the LP. They have hung JC out to dry. As I said in a previous post his enemies knew his support for Palestinian human rights was his Achilles heel and they used it against him and there were too many people happy to play along and sod the truth. Many of those cheering his downfall do not really care about Jews & anti Semitism ..just want a growing socialist movement (NOT the same as Comunism!) squashed and he was the figurehead..he had to go.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1224359-Anti-Semitism-in-Labour-Party-and-Universities

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1227786-Could-Labour-split-Tom-Watson-calls-off-talks

For goodness sake for years issues such as antisemitism , the possibility of a split in the Labour Party under Corbyns tenure has been discussed. The same was raised as to his politics even during the Labour Leadership contest from back in 2015..

From the start Labour was divided by those who saw Corbyn as the way back to the old days of the likes of the Trotskyist 'Militant Tendency ' and those who supported him through the Jeremy For Leader/Momentum groups brought back into the fold 'returned ' past Labour Members who left under the Blair/Brown years as it was not far left enough for them. We know some Gransnet members have declared they ' returned ' because of Corbyn and for that reason. The Jeremy For Leader/Momentum groups actively sought to distance the Labour Party from ' the past ' in this case Blair/Brown which was ironic as they were the ones bringing the Labour Party exactly to that position , ' back to the past '. Corbyn surrounded himself with the like minded who saw Labour as once again ' their ' party and it didn't take 5 minutes to see in which direction Labour was heading, remember the ' Hostile List ' etc. The irony of the ' Hostile List ' was it was supposed to point out those who were thought to be against Corbyn but it turned out to be a list of whom could become targets for the likes of Momentum activists to attack.

Corbyn and those who surrounded him both then and now continue, years after the problem started, to refuse to accept there was any antisemitism in the party and deny accountability for their own actions and words from Corbyn down to his devout followers. Nothing to see here!

The opportunity to deflect away from the obvious case against Corbyn by raising subjects such as the Tory Party, training methods and when it started is nothing short of defending the undefendable. It will be an individual thought as to why trying to defend Corbyn remains the stance of those who refuse to accept the findings of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission but it is the case by doing so there is an alignment with the words, actions and deeds of Corbyn on their part.

The links above are given as examples to point out, this has been a sore in the Labour Party for years. Many will feel exonerated by the EHRC findings and quite rightly so. Many will continue to defend Labour under Corbyn/Momentum and will feel justified to do so as that has been their stance for years and will not change their opinion over the EHRC findings, why should they I suppose they have never accepted there was even a whiff of a problem and defended their position for years.

In other words year on, year out the division will remain but after questions being raised for years ' could Labour split ' etc. even on Gransnet this could be the period of the Labour Party that will give the answer. Personally I think politics will not see Labour split but the next question is should it? Should the far left now become a reformed Trotskyite /Marxist political group to provide the politics some want it to be?

As a life long Labour voter I, in my late 60s, joined the LP when JC became leader BEACAUSE of his support for Palestinian human rights. At last there was a politician who spoke up for something that was personally important to me. I am naturally a left of centre Labour party supporter. In my opinion the party had moved significantly to the the right and was moving away from the socialist ideals at its roots.

The anti Palestinians will be cheering and so will the capitalists.

NB

Could the response from Corbyn knowingly be the start of trying to divide the Labour Party and could we see the Jeremy For Leader campaign take shape once again.

Yes, the party should split, the far left / centre left cannot work
together for the good of the party.

It will be the end of the Labour Party , elections have shown for years voters do not want a Trotskyist/ Marxist Government

If there was no Anti-semitism then the commission would not have been able to find cases of Anti-Semitism. But they did. Some quite horrific examples and evidence of a longstanding embedded culture.

Unless of course the Jewish members were fabricating their experiences. Guilty of plotting.

Now where in history have I heard that before?