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Conservative party internal investigation into racism

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PECS Sun 01-Nov-20 16:13:28

About 500 days ago BJ promised an investigation into accusations of anti Islamic behavious and attitues.. Have I missed the publication of the report?

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 16:23:20

No you haven't. I have been looking out for it- but ...

We must ensure that we do not allowe them to forget it- we must ask for it, again and again. In the Press, on Question Time, write to our MPs, etc.

Again and again, and quite rightly- we talk about the heinous crime of Antisemetism - but Islamophobia is just fair game.
Imagine is the teacher in France had been only and solely using antisemetic cartoons in his lessons?

lemongrove Sun 01-Nov-20 17:06:50

Is this to take the heat off Corbyn?😄You are certainly eager to see it.
There should be a way of finding out via google if the report has been concluded yet.
I think you are wrong about the French biba France being a secular country any cartoons about any religion are considered fair game, but you can bet your boots, that if that did happen ( anti -semitic cartoons) no Jewish person would run amok with a knife trying to behead people!

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 17:22:54

Not to take the heat off Corbyn at all- but in the name of fairness, somehow. Why is antisemitism considered wrong and punishable (and I think it should be)- but Islamophobia is rife and dandy?

There are madmen in all religions, and all sections of the poupulation- and plenty of evidence in the not so far past.
The point being that the teacher did not use the history of cartoons to depict how at the time of the Revolution they were used to mock and condemn the Nobles and the Clergy. How they were used in many wars to demonise and dehumanise the enemy. By Hitler to demonise Jews, Gypsies and the infirm. How the Brits used cartoons against their enemies too- like 'Gerry'. How later the French use cartoons and film cartoons like the Guignols to mock, deride and criticise polititians on TV, and in magasines.

He only used one form of cartoons, those depicting Mohamet to students who are marginalised and vulnerable, many of them Muslims. But he would not have dared use antisemitic materials, because the Jewish commnunities of France would have been in uproar.

France is only a secular country when it suits it. A very large proportion of French people send their kids to Private (all white) Catholic schools funded by the State. In Nice, a bastion of the National Front, those Catholic families go to Mass every Sunday.

Fact is, the actions of these radicalised madmen have become just one more excuse to marginalise, discriminate against and insult the Muslims of France- all of them. And it created the very conditions for radicalisation and hatred.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 17:24:38

In short why is Islamophobia 'fair game' - but not antisemitism? Either both are wrong, or both are 'fair game'.

Grany Sun 01-Nov-20 17:37:47

Yes and why didn't they have an enquiry a report on antisemitism same as Labour did

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Nov-20 17:39:12

The investigation has been shelved.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 17:45:45

ah, I wonder why ? Any clue ?

Iam64 Sun 01-Nov-20 17:46:14

Who said islamophobia is fine, rife and dandy?!
Whataboutery doesn't answer any of the questions. Racism, the demonisation of any group is just wrong.

Iam64 Sun 01-Nov-20 17:47:54

PECS I should stress, I'm not suggesting your OP is whataboutery. My response is to Biba who seems to believe that 'others' oppose anti semitism but not islamophobia.

varian Sun 01-Nov-20 17:56:35

Sayeeda Warsi on Tory Islamophobia: 'It feels like I'm in an abusive relationship'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/sayeeda-warsi-tory-islamophobia-muslim-prejudice-investigation

sparklingsilver28 Sun 01-Nov-20 18:07:56

France reveres its culture and values and when living in France expected to adopt and respect it. Pity Britain does not insist on the same.

varian Sun 01-Nov-20 18:11:48

Unfortunately we do not have a written constitution, nor do we teach philosophy or critical thinking in schools as the French do. They are right to defend their secular state.

tickingbird Sun 01-Nov-20 18:21:12

A cartoon is just a cartoon. I could draw a cartoon of a man wearing a turban and would anyone have a problem? If I then decide to say that man is Mohammed does that make it Islamaphobia? Nobody knows what the prophet looked like so it’s all just nonsense as far as I’m concerned. The murderers and the protesters are all being brainwashed and led by others hiding in the shadows. Beheading innocent people, and still the apologists are out in force. It’s enough to make one weep.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 18:47:37

There are NO apologists here, not one.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 18:50:26

Iam64- I hope no-one is saying it here (but ...)- but if the Conservatives shelve a report on Islamophobia- one has to wonder why. Why is antisemitism wrong and deserving of an inquiry, and punishment, banning, etc. But not Islamophobia?

As said, either both are wrong or both ar fair game.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 19:03:31

PECS's thread is not above France anyhow- it is about the many allegations and evidence of islamophobia in the Conservative Party, in the UK.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 19:36:14

I hope you will read the article linked to by Varian- the evidence is all there for all to see. But of course, not for those who don't even want to.

PECS Sun 01-Nov-20 20:15:09

It feels as if their is an unwritten racism hierarchy with Anti semitism at the top but anti Islamic attitudes lower & being tolerated. BLM has , for a certain group, meant anti black racism is not as bad because black people dared to express their opinions forcefully...

The generalisation, homogenization & stereotying of BAME communities is always wrong. No group is perfect and untouchable but neither are they all bad / clever/ terrorists/ good at maths etc etc. Until people are seen as people first & " judged" by their individual actions and attitudes second racism thrives.

Iam64 Sun 01-Nov-20 20:18:50

Biba, are you referring to me when you say "I hope you will read the article linked to by Varian - the evidence is al there for all to see. But of course , not for those who don't even want to",
I do hope not. I live in a former mill town in the north west. We have a large population of people with Pakistani (Muslim) and a smaller group of Indian (Hindu) backgrounds. They started to arrive in the 1950's to work in the cotton mills. Our town has been fortunate in avoiding the race riots that some neighbouring towns faced. Our local council reflects the ethnic make up of the town. We have one MP who is of Pakistani Muslim heritage.
I read the article posted by varian when it was first published in 2019. I've heard Sayeeda Warsi interviewed on this subject.
It's the Conservative party who need a lecture.

biba70 Sun 01-Nov-20 20:25:41

The 'you' was not for anyone in particular- anyone who denies that Islamophobia is very much alive in the Conservative Party. I imagine that once the report pointed clearly to the facts- they just chose to ditch it.

tickingbird Sun 01-Nov-20 21:49:54

It feels as if their is an unwritten racism hierarchy with Anti semitism at the top but anti Islamic attitudes lower

When there’s a police presence outside of every mosque during prayers. When muslim children have to have a police escort to school, then anti muslim attitudes will be on a par with anti semitism. The hatred and anti semitism in this country is very much brushed under the carpet. Attacks on Jews and Jewish businesses here and especially in France is on the rise. It’s not even about religion per se. A Jew is still a Jew whether they practice the faith or not. Many Jews have Anglicised names; changed to avoid persecution.

Jews don’t resort to slitting peoples’ throats and blowing up arenas full of young kids at a pop concert because they feel aggrieved.

As for anti muslim attitudes in the conservative party I really don’t know. I’ll await the report but there’s definitely been plenty of egregious anti semitism within the LP from the top down.

PECS Sun 01-Nov-20 21:54:36

I think that my opinion that, generally, people don't care about racism towards Muslims.
The atrocities in France are not a reason to justify or ignore acts of racism.

PECS Sun 01-Nov-20 21:56:42

oops my 'cutting & pasting' cut out the phrase ' is justified '

lemongrove Sun 01-Nov-20 22:09:00

tickingbird
Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻