What does a President Biden mean for the UK?

President Biden may not favour the UK as much as President Trump, but it is still in the best interests of the USA, the world and the UK that Trump is defeated. WWm2

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Not long to Thanksgiving.

We always do thanksgiving - any excuse for a beano - but not this year☹️

If one party held office of President all the time, I'd think people changing their minds wasn't possible- But that's not been the case- ?

rosecarmel

Whitewavemark2

So if Biden tries to do deals with the Republicans CNN are saying that Trump will still have a hand on the party and prevent cooperation happening. Can’t the republicans get rid of him if they want to?

Biden first has to "make sense" to the people that Republican politicians represent, who will listen if their position is threatened by lack of support-

How likely is that?

You have to understand Trump's past to understand that the future will produce the same pattern- People lose interest in dealing with him- He made it to president, there's no higher than that- The only place for him to go is down-

Whitewavemark2

So if Biden tries to do deals with the Republicans CNN are saying that Trump will still have a hand on the party and prevent cooperation happening. Can’t the republicans get rid of him if they want to?

Biden first has to "make sense" to the people that Republican politicians represent, who will listen if their position is threatened by lack of support-

rosecarmel

Whitewavemark2

My son was talking about the green deal which he thinks Biden has dropped. But would that be something that Sanders would be watching?

But how about the Congress and the senate?

Biden can't associate himself with the the Green New Deal- It sounds too Socialist and scary- But he is already sowing the seeds, separately, for each issue included in the deal-

Congress can be spoon fed- Opposed to shoving something like the New Green Deal down their narrow throats-

That is really interesting. That is exactly what some professor of politics was saying. Not to sort of shout “thicko’ or “you don’t understand” but do things more slowly, gently and inclusively. I get that, until you are faced with someone who point blank refuses to see what is in front of them.

Whitewavemark2

My son was talking about the green deal which he thinks Biden has dropped. But would that be something that Sanders would be watching?

But how about the Congress and the senate?

Biden can't associate himself with the the Green New Deal- It sounds too Socialist and scary- But he is already sowing the seeds, separately, for each issue included in the deal-

Congress can be spoon fed- Opposed to shoving something like the New Green Deal down their narrow throats-

varian

For the first time in my life, I support something that will, in the short term be harmful to our country, in the knowledge that it is the best thing right now for the USA, for the world and therefore ultimately for the UK.

We must let go of short-termism which has done so much damage to our country.

I’m being dim here what do you mean varian?

So if Biden tries to do deals with the Republicans CNN are saying that Trump will still have a hand on the party and prevent cooperation happening. Can’t the republicans get rid of him if they want to?

For the first time in my life, I support something that will, in the short term be harmful to our country, in the knowledge that it is the best thing right now for the USA, for the world and therefore ultimately for the UK.

We must let go of short-termism which has done so much damage to our country.

Yes I get that he is a straight talker. Something that Johnson and his crony Tories are bad at.

My son was talking about the green deal which he thinks Biden has dropped. But would that be something that Sanders would be watching?

But how about the Congress and the senate?

Whitewavemark2

But we do think it will make a big difference in the U.K.

It is becoming quite clear that Biden looks very dimly on Johnson, who sees him as a physical and emotional clone of Trump. Biden sees Johnson as a right wing populist cut from the same cloth as Trump.

He isn’t wrong.

Biden also remembers the jibes Johnson made against Obama, and Biden has a long memory.

Johnson’s close personal relationship with Trump has not gone down well with Biden.

This all adds up to a much more difficult position for No 10 and Brexit.

Biden will be shifting the narrative from evasive, side-stepping, non-commital statements to actual, direct communication- Straight talk- Which isn't No. 10's strong point- And wasn't Trump's either-

Biden will be seeking allies opposed to seeking out other "chums"-

Whitewavemark2

rosecarmel

Whitewavemark2

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Think about it this way, Obama received overwhelming support- Twice- But half the people that voted him into office didn't receive anything for offering it- They were ignored- As a result, it paved the way for Trump-

Votes for Obama were cast from hope- Votes for Trump cast from frustration-

Together, they brought out the worse in those that were ignored-

I’ve been in the phone to my son (for hours!!) and putting the world to rights and we chatted about the puzzle of Obama and that is exactly the conclusion we came to?.

We are also not sure that Biden will change much either.

To what extent can you blame either of them being scuppered by the two houses?

You don't make pacts with devils and not get anything done- Biden is in an unusual position, as I said before, he "owes" those that supported him for the "win": Warren, Sanders, Booker, Kobluchar, Castro, Gillibrand, O'Rourke so forth-

They will be holding Biden's feet to the fire, and we, the people, theirs-

Biden is sort of a Trojan horse- He was chosen because he looks like American Pie -- on the outside- Not scary, like Sanders-

He's going to have to walk a fine line to maintain that appearance while making scary changes in ways that don't disturb the snowflakes-

But we do think it will make a big difference in the U.K.

It is becoming quite clear that Biden looks very dimly on Johnson, who sees him as a physical and emotional clone of Trump. Biden sees Johnson as a right wing populist cut from the same cloth as Trump.

He isn’t wrong.

Biden also remembers the jibes Johnson made against Obama, and Biden has a long memory.

Johnson’s close personal relationship with Trump has not gone down well with Biden.

This all adds up to a much more difficult position for No 10 and Brexit.

rosecarmel

Whitewavemark2

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Think about it this way, Obama received overwhelming support- Twice- But half the people that voted him into office didn't receive anything for offering it- They were ignored- As a result, it paved the way for Trump-

Votes for Obama were cast from hope- Votes for Trump cast from frustration-

Together, they brought out the worse in those that were ignored-

I’ve been in the phone to my son (for hours!!) and putting the world to rights and we chatted about the puzzle of Obama and that is exactly the conclusion we came to?.

We are also not sure that Biden will change much either.

To what extent can you blame either of them being scuppered by the two houses?

Whitewavemark2

*rose*. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Think about it this way, Obama received overwhelming support- Twice- But half the people that voted him into office didn't receive anything for offering it- They were ignored- As a result, it paved the way for Trump-

Votes for Obama were cast from hope- Votes for Trump cast from frustration-

Together, they brought out the worse in those that were ignored-

Calendargirl

Whitewavemark2

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

I used to admire Obama, but his ‘Britain will be back of the queue’ remark put me right off him.

A remark based on fact. You might have found it uncomfortable, but this will now happen with Biden.

They do what is best for American interest and the EU takes priority, first, second and last.

Whitewavemark2

*rose*. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

I used to admire Obama, but his ‘Britain will be back of the queue’ remark put me right off him.

Here’s a thought.

If like the American television had the courage to turn Trump off every time he lied this week, our television companies did the same every time Johnson lied.......

We would never see him again??

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

rose well I certainly think that he is making all the right noises, so America will have to wait and see.

I think his inclusive politics will also explain his attitude to Johnson and the EU.

As I pointed out on the other thread Biden said

“Politics is about cooperation and compromise.......“

Some people need to take that on board in this divided country of ours.

Biden is showing the wisdom of age.

I think it's a bonus, WW- Biden chose someone for Vice President that he ran against in the primary: Kamala Harris-
And everyone that ran against him in the primary supported his run for president once he was chosen- And everyone that ran against him, each having their own areas of expertise, will not only benefit a Biden presidency but be much more representative of the people that voted for them during the primary- It's a win win-

The only thing that would taint that unique chemistry would be involving the Obamas- Which would make working with the Republicans very difficult and cause in party upset as well- Obama was an exclusive president who while in office had his "chosen few" whereas Biden is going to have to be "inclusive" in order to get anything done -

I don’t necessarily think that a bad thing rose