How did we ever get to have such an incompetent government?

sparklingsilver28

growstuff You asked the question and I gave the answer!

You evidently do not appreciate factual evidence that does not accord with your view. You may wish to delude yourself as much as you like but it will not change the reality of fact. Nothing more to be said!

No, you didn't. You repeated the mantra that the majority voted to leave. That doesn't answer my question about reasons.

M0nica

*growstuff*, Neither of the main parties in this country is competent to govern us.

I didn't claim they are. That's a strawman argument.

However, if you wish to widen the scope of the debate, how come we don't have anybody capable of forming a competent government?

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growsstuff because all parties are dominated by professional politicians. Once upon a time most MPs, whether knights from the shires or miners straight from the coal face, had worked outside Parliament and many were there to serve their communities.

Now almost every MP leaves to university and gets work in politics, research assistants, interns, PR and lobbying organisations or for their party's organisation. I include here those who work in union HQs. From there they do all the courses and jump through all the hoops to ingratiate themselves into constituencies. They have no experience of life outside politics.

I would like a system that insists that anyone wanting to enter Parliament has to have at least 10 years work experience outside political circles. Let them be lawyers teachers, shop staff and factory workers. Probably some experience of local government or campaigning for something that matters to their community might help as well.

Good idea Monica

Well said Monica. If we’d had a half way decent opposition the present government would’ve raised their game and given us a proper choice. Instead, we had a rock and a hard place so here we are.

As an aside, what does Priti Vaca mean exactly?

MOnica, I'd vote for your suggestion that anyone wanting to enter Parliament has at least 10 years experience outside political circles. Some balance of work experience would be good.
Pantglas2, do you mean the JC led opposition or the one under new management?

they might be on their knees but they are sitting luxury

Pantglas2 - I think Priti Vaca means Priti Vacant.

As the first name is accurate I expect you know whose nickname this is.

Hmmm, Ramblingrose, I hoped it wasn’t a religious reference but the Guardian has form on this!

A few weeks ago, the government was encouraging people to retrain after being made redundant and set up a website (can't remember the name) to give people ideas. Just for fun, I did the quiz and the site suggested I should train to be an MP!

I'm thinking about it!

Ps. Gavin Williamson was a fireplace salesman before he became an MP, but I don't think his work experience has done him much good.

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Society is the problem.

When we live in a society where movements like BLM don't have to kick up the biggest stink imaginable just to have reasonable concerns heard then we will know we are moving in the right direction.

Politics isn't football, you don't pick a side and support it no matter how badly they play.

Times are changing. Just because "I turned out fine" doesn't mean old ways of doing things work for the majority and its not good enough if it doesn't work for the minority.

We have to start thinking of each other, not just our own need to be right or have an opinion.

We have to realise that society is a machine and every cog matters. No single person can go about their daily lives without hundreds, if not thousands of people on too little money growing/supplying/delivering their food or packaging their toilet rollor that piece of plastic one se we didn't really need or just making their view a little cleaner and more colourful.

When we become society instead of individualistic we will get the government that works for everyone.

Astral It is a lovely thought, but I do not think it will ever happen. Your thoughts are similar to those that informed the first true communists and the Kibbutzim in Israel. We saw what happened in Soviet Russia and its satellites and the Kibbutz movement is a much smaller and much less communal than the organisation the first pioneers established .

In every society there are people whose only interest is themselves and getting their hands on the levers of power and while we have people who leave school/university with the intention of being professional politicians, we will be governed by people whose contact with ordinary life is limited.

What you describe, is what we are told we will find in heaven, when we reach it.

As an aside, what does Priti Vaca mean exactly?

Vaca is cow in Spanish!

I did wonder

The English voted for them! "Flee wi' the craws, dee wi' the craws" comes to mind!

Exactly Oopsminty.

M0nica I'm not a communist, but society is broken and we should never be party to people working full time being unable to support themselves to pride and happiness.

Ideals do not have to be extremes.

The available words that describe the way society can be structured are not all there is.

Astral, perhaps a bit of true communsm would be good thing. I think most people want a fair society where you get a fair wage for a fair days work.

But where ever attempts have been made to build such societies, they seem always to degenerate into something that is worse than it was before and, sadly the first to be corrrupted are that society's leaders.

The Christian story of original sin and Adam and Eve being thrown out of Eden, whether you are Christian or not does put a finger on the problems that will stop us ever reaching a completely just and fair society and that is the imperfectibility of humankind.

However, we are living in a far juster and fairer society than we had 20,50, 100, 200 years ago and we must hope and do what we can to make sure that progress continues.

We just need a bit more democratic socialism. We have lost too much to private companies. Just look at roads as an example of the benefits of things being publicly owned. Imagine paying a toll just to move your car, dodgy road owners not bothering with proper maintenance, areas where roads were so extortionate some people were unable to use them.

It seems that No 10 is rapidly falling apart.

Lee Cain has left pushed out apparently by the PMs girl friend.

Cummings is best friends with Cain and is reportedly very huffy about the whole thing and may walk taking it is said David Frost with him.

Sounds very much like a pound shop White House.

No surprise really.

We are the first in Europe to hit over 50000 deaths. Shades of Trump America.

Officials are refusing to release the justification for a £25m handout to Robert Jenrick’s constituency that was approved by a colleague. His seat was among 100 winners from the £3.6bn Towns Fund, despite being only 270th on the most deprived list.

Andrew Adonis

Jenrick on the radio should be resigning after the Public Accounts Committee found his ‘Towns Fund’ to be a Tory slush fund, not lying about the government being ‘solely focused’ on COVID19 when everyone knows there is civil war between Cummings & Johnson’s girlfriend in No 10

The rats are leaving the sinking a Brexit ship