New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

(And I know they are different things - just falls under the same narrative - British laws for British people sovereignty blah blah blah)

Well done Boris, excellent news. Thank you and David Frost for all your hard work this year. Champagne all round in this house.????

No passporting rights. The City will not be pleased. Financial services was 80% of out trade with the EU.

Lucca

MayBee70

Lucca

The joy and whooping remind me of a hunt in full cry!! Hilarious reaction.

It was embarrassing in comparison to the dignified speech given by Ursula Von der Leyan but I wouldn’t have expected gravity or dignity from the PM.

I meant on here !!

Sorry. I thought you meant those awful pictures of Boris waving his arms about!

MaizieD

No passporting rights. The City will not be pleased. Financial services was 80% of out trade with the EU.

That’s what I thought was said. Is that something that is yet to be negotiated or is that it? If that’s it no wonder Merkel is so pleased

Jane10

Sigh. I did not mean that we should return to the 1950s re universities. I meant that universities and students have exchanged throughout Europe (and beyond) long before the EU came about.

I know. I was one of them too. However, the old schemes were nowhere near so comprehensive and well-organised as Erasmus and weren't available in most subjects.

Welshwife

It seems the Erasmus scheme actually gave U.K. a net gain - it paid students from a joint EU fund a bursary of €400 a month. It will be interesting to see what the new scheme will be and where the students will be able to study.

Indeed it did. My daughter took part in an Erasmus programme. Her UK university charged her fees, which it took and used to pay for exchange students. The EU paid my daughter a bursary to study abroad.

Lucretzia

Goodness me. Such angst!

It will all be fine

We are here very fleetingly. The next generation will do their thing.

And I wanted to stay.

But we voted to leave

I accept this

We might like to think we're all hugely important but we're not

This is a moment in history.

It will be forgotten

No matter what a bunch of grans say!

Indeed! 2021 will be one chapter in "The Fall of Britain".

So OTT growstuff ?

Nezumi65

MaizieD

No passporting rights. The City will not be pleased. Financial services was 80% of out trade with the EU.

That’s what I thought was said. Is that something that is yet to be negotiated or is that it? If that’s it no wonder Merkel is so pleased

It really is no wonder. Frankfurt is booming as a result of Brexit. Even if "equivalence" is negotiated, it isn't a substitute for the passporting rights the UK in the EU had. Services account for something like 70% of all UK foreign income. To be quite blunt, they're up sh*t creek. It will also mean that billionaires in the UK can squirrel their money abroad and it will be even less accountable than it is now.

lemongrove

So OTT growstuff ?

You'll be dead when it's written. We've already written the first couple of chapters.

LauraNorder

Well you do now Nezumi

Haha and here’s yet another one today
As predicted, the EU go to the last minute with negotiations,
But a good outcome, and cheerful news for Christmas.?

Welshwife

It seems the Erasmus scheme actually gave U.K. a net gain - it paid students from a joint EU fund a bursary of €400 a month. It will be interesting to see what the new scheme will be and where the students will be able to study.

The government’s proposed Turing scheme to replace Erasmus will not bring students from overseas to the UK. The advantage of Erasmus was that our students benefited from European experience and here we benefited from European students with different perspectives contacts etc joining us.

Erasmus covered academics as well as students, so all universities were able to benefit from having extended expertise.

growstuff

lemongrove

So OTT growstuff ?

You'll be dead when it's written. We've already written the first couple of chapters.

Really growstuff how do you know the date of my demise??

lemongrove

LauraNorder

Well you do now Nezumi

Haha and here’s yet another one today
As predicted, the EU go to the last minute with negotiations,
But a good outcome, and cheerful news for Christmas.?

I suppose it would be too much for you to explain why it is a better deal than the UK had in the EU.

Maybe there's somebody who actually knows.

Is this the best you can do, when a trade deal has been secured with the EU? To go on grumbling about the Erasmus scheme!

What sour grapes growstuff

It’ll be interesting to see what the ERG think of this deal. Why the assumption that the EU caved in and not Johnson?

It’s not a case in any negotiation that one party has to cave in!
They gradually come together until both sides are happy enough.

lemongrove

It’s not a case in any negotiation that one party has to cave in!
They gradually come together until both sides are happy enough.

Hear, hear lemongrove. Top comment.

Wishing you all a very happy Christmas.
I’m joyous tonight! It’s been a long time coming.

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An alternative view. I saw this on twitter posted by a Dutch person who is keen to leave EU. Interesting.

Jane10
If there were to be a country following us, it would be the Dutch.

What a relief to finally have a deal.
I am sure both sides had to give way a bit, and both will probably claim to have the greater victory.
No matter. Part of me at times was in favour of Boris just walking away, but there was always that niggling doubt that it was too risky especially with the added complication of the effect on the economy with the blasted virus.

Until we learn more about the details it’s difficult to know just how much we had to give up, but, as someone has said, if Nigel Farage is pleased, it can’t have been a dreadful deal for us.

We can now look forward to 2021 as a totally independent country ??.

After all we have only waited four and a half years for this!

jane10..........love it ?

you were ALWAYS totally independent country in a voluntary treaty with a union.You voted for the laws and rules, you benefited greatly from them.
I blame the Scottish Independence movement for this ....before it I dont think anyone else knew what "sovereignty was",then they got all confused and thought it was something completely different...but they wanted it anyway.If the Scots wanted to stay they wanted out ...simples
Poor sods didn't understand they were very well off as they were ...BUT THEY WILL NOW !!