The Good that Men do - Donald Trump?

Listen everybody I’m okay to post, really. It’s a discussion. I don’t take comments personally. We go back & forth!

I suppose as I’m the main contender here posting alternative views from the mainstream it can seem intense but I feel it’s a fair thread.

As I said I do tend to play Devils Advocate sometimes.

It’s good to be civil.
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He also wanted to destroy Obama care because he wanted to destroy anything associated with Obama, because Obama laughed at him. I dont think it was just lack of empathy for others (although that is obviously a factor) it was revenge.

I agree UG. Politeness is all. As is keeping it impersonal.

I remember reading that Trump thought Obamacare wasn’t value for money for the taxpayers dollars? He insisted it could be bettered.

It wasn’t though as far as I recall. Must look up what happened there.

Did he really think that though? I think he was so threatened by Obama that he just wanted to tear down anything he did. In addition to social medicine being against Republican principles.

For years, Republicans have lambasted Obamacare, and promised that a full replacement for the Affordable Care Act is in the works.

But more than 10 years after the ACA was signed into law, no major GOP replacement plan has surfaced.

Trump's administration has instituted incremental changes to the landmark healthcare law, and zeroed out the universal coverage mandate.

Evidence suggests he would do more of the same if given a second term, largely leaving the ACA alone.

Biden, if elected, would likely usher in a different set of tweaks to the law: he's floated the ideas of a public option, and more health insurance tax credits available to middle- and upper-class Americans on ACA plans.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

This is from Forbes magazine. Regarding replacing ‘Obamacare’ it seems Trump overpromised and underdelivered, hmm who does that remind me of. This is an extract from an article in Forbes magazine:

“For quite some time President Trump has promised, using characteristically hyperbolic language, “phenomenal healthcare” to replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), otherwise known as Obamacare.

Today, September 24th, Trump unveiled an “America First Health Care Plan” that is not an actual plan. It contains precious little, other than a symbolic gesture to ensure those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage (already in the ACA), a promise of $200 gift certificates for seniors to help with their prescription drug purchases (it’s anyone’s guess where the money will come from for this ploy), and a vague statement requiring hospitals and insurance companies to be more transparent in terms of their pricing. The only actual policy measure put forward was a pledge to work with Congress to end hospital surprise billing.

Last month, Trump released a wish list of sorts called “Fighting for America.” It’s not a healthcare plan, or a replacement for the ACA. At best it’s a set of aspirations dubbed as a healthcare agenda. At worst, it’s sloganeering of the have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too kind often seen during an election cycle.”

Doubtless there were some positives during his term but the groundwork for these ideas would surely have come from the people who were part of his administration, he just signed the documents. There is ample evidence to show that his general knowledge is very limited and his knowledge of politics is probably no better.

A very measured post Jane43 and the Forbes article seems to sum it all up quite well.

Trump was antagonistic towards Obama. It appealed to the voters probably. ‘Look, I can do better. You deserve better’.

Trump wasn’t a politician. Especially at the beginning I think that was in his favour. People were fed up of politicians. They wanted a change. They wanted that ‘swamp’ drained.

Sadly as you say he over-promised and under-delivered.

He’s toast now.
I think.

P.s. I still think, the pandemic did for him. Without the financial havoc and uncertainty I think Trump would have won the election.

The extra 3 weeks allowed till election, the push for postal votes, all factors aligned and worked against him.

Ah well.

Would you have wanted Trump, who has been seen to care so little for American lives, to have been re-elected?

His incitement to violence has caused violence and death.

We saw the same thing in this country in 2016 when Jo Cox MP was murdered by a violent brexiter who had been incited by the irresponsible speech of political extremists.

Language is powerful and words can be weapons.

In times of political and social turmoil they can inspire people and change the course of history.

They can also have a negative impact and be used to rabble-rouse and create circumstances of tension and fear.

Well I don’t think he ‘cares little for American lives’ so we come to the question from opposite ends of the spectrum to begin with varian!

This

'It is what it is': Trump in interview on COVID-19 death toll in U.S.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/it-what-it-trump-interview-covid-19-death-toll-u-n1235734

These were not the words of someone who cares!

Didn’t he allow bump-stocks to be banned?
That’s surely a good thing.

Oh, and he donated his salary to charity.

Urmstongran

And drugs. Not the illegal stuff. The good ones. For the American people. He kept telling them that Big Pharma was ripping them off. He had a fight there on his hands ...

In 2016, the Food and Drug Administration approved 73 new generic medications. That figure rose year by year through the Trump administration, reaching 107 in 2019.

That same year, Congress passed new legislation that will bring more generics to market even faster in the future. The Creates Act will allow generic drug makers to sue drug developers that withhold information needed to manufacture generics in a timely way once patent protection expires.

Generics = less expensive to buy.
Like buying ibuprofen instead of Neurofen.

So, in my opinion, nope. He wasn’t evil. Or bad.
Stupid yes. He made some bigly mistakes. But he did do some good things.

A Marmite character indeed.

Anyway, the world has turned.
He’s out.
Biden’s in.

The CREATES Act was drafted under Obama in 2016. I think Trump just didn’t block it to be honest.

And M0nica is right about coal.

Love that Lucca !! Really clever.
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I just think, pre pandemic, Trump was a breath of fresh air as far as blue collar workers were concerned.

Like most people of power, he started off good and well intentioned. Then he hit his stride. Got the feel of being ‘Mr. President’. After that I guess his tenure revealed the cracks.

That said, a huge poll yesterday (sorry genuinely can’t recall the source) less than 1 in 5 of Republicans have gone off him. Biden will have to factor that huge groundswell of support into his decision making. If he’s savvy he will do, especially in these first few months.

Trump's support among self-identified Republicans fell to 70% in the new Reuters/Ipsos polling, conducted Jan. 8-12 in the wake of the Capitol riot, down from a peak of 88% in mid-August. That is the lowest level of his presidency. His approval also sank to just 34% among all Americans, the lowest since December 2017, after he signaled support for far-right extremists at a deadly rally in Virginia.

(For a graphic of poll results, click tmsnrt.rs/3oJ8N9R )

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-supporters-insight/republican-party-faces-rage-from-both-pro-and-anti-trump-voters-idUSKBN29J08S

Well I’ve just seen the polar opposite predictions on SKY news varian.

Pollsters eh!
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He started off by saying it was ok to grab women sexually because of who he was. He has never been well intentioned. When someone describes how they treat 50 % of the population you should take heed of the red flag they are waving.

BlueBelle to me he looked and behaved like a 2 year old who has tantrums if he doesn't get his own way!

He did on at least one occasion actually say something that was true. Talking about his supporters who he called "my people" before the 2016 election he boasted "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any votes - it's incredible" .

Just watch him say it if you think that could not possibly be true.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

Trump was a demagogue. People followed him because he promised everything - and delivered little. He wanted to be President to pove he was as great as he thought he was and was prepared to offer a platform that suited him and soundd good to others.

He delivered very little - where is that wall that the Mexicans were going to pay for, his record on Coronavirus is abysmal. he is narcissist and a thug who sent 10 criminals to the gallows (metaphorically) in his last three months in the job. Why? Essentially because he could, the ultimate power - the power of life and death and he chose deaths; 1, 2, 3 ,4 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 - in three months

Obamacare may not have been all Obama wanted it to be, but that is not to condemn it. To have fine ideals and try to deliver them, even if they were not all you hoped, is common in life and not a reason for not trying.
Obamacare brought medical care to millions who could not otherwise afford it.

I have seen tv programmes of British doctors holding charity funded health clinics in sports stadiums in the US with people queuing for hours to see them. Some had advanced cancer that could have been cured; mothers with young children, but they did not have the money - this was before Obamacare. Average lifespan in the US is 4 years lower than comparative nations. This is because of the lack of free or affordable health care. Trump didn't give damn what happened to the poor if Obamacare was junked.