The fear women live with

My GD has told her mum that she has been subjected along with her friends to suggestive remarks made by much older men.

They are 15 year olds and find it very uncomfortable. It is disgusting for anyone but worse when they are still children.

These excuses for men need to see how pathetic they are.

Until yesterday I had no idea why women changed into flats or trainers after a night out. I thought it was a comfort thing after a hard nights dancing. I'm kinda glad I didn't know. It's SO sad.

A good hiding would sort these monsters out, prison doesn't !

Flashed, grouped by men twice on public transport, and all before I was 17.

Groped ( obviously )

Remember when police used to take their jackets off to these characters ? I do. This was the 60's. Police were more on foot then so were more aware and they were never far away if you needed them because sub-stations were dotted around and you always felt safe.

EllanVannin

Remember when police used to take their jackets off to these characters ? I do. This was the 60's. Police were more on foot then so were more aware and they were never far away if you needed them because sub-stations were dotted around and you always felt safe.

Oh the good old 60s - no police corruption, no fitting up of the innocent, no racism, no sexism. Please let’s keep a sense of proportion about the police service and the past.

So sad to finally hear that the remains were Sarah Everard by all accounts a lovely young woman with her life in front of her. Hearing that the alleged person had already been reported for two counts of indecent exposure close to where she went missing is also very alarming.
I personally feel as a woman we are somewhat vulnerable when out and about and that goes for even sometimes in daylight. I find that these days in winter particularly when it gets dark early I am not as comfortable taking my dog out
after 7.30 pm. Perhaps about 3 years ago as long as I kept to street lighting I felt safe but not any more.
Several times when walking the dog I have had men try to talk to me in daylight hours usually I just ignore them and keep walking. The worst one I had was someone in a car and he was hooting his horn at me then he stopped the car and asked me if I would like to spend half an hour with him.
That made me very angry and in no uncertain terms l told him to F--K O-f . He just laughed and asked me if I was playing hard to get, luckily for me I spotted a brick on the grass and went to pick it up at that he just drove away. Nothing like that has happened to me for about two years now but even so I am a GM and what sort of men are these to behave like that to an older woman.
I did not even call the police as they would probably not have even come out to see me.

Grammareto interesting that your DM was brought up in Burma, my late MiL was too

Gosh that was kind, thinking of his job

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-who-attacked-woman-walking-23694175

suziewoozie

Gosh that was kind, thinking of his job

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-who-attacked-woman-walking-23694175

That is shocking.

This is what we're up against, ladies.
They could at least have printed his photo, to warn women who he is. You know, he's going to do this again. He hasn't been punished. This is horrific and not just.

Condolences to the family of Sarah

In her name , lets try to make a difference. I don't know how, but let's try. If there's something we can do - for ourselves, our daughters, granddaughters, sisters, aunts, mothers, daughter in laws and mother in laws then lets do it.

My takeaways from this case

It took over 2 years to get to court
Her life has been on hold
Men’s jobs matter more than women’s lives and safety
She was silly for coming back from work

suziewoozie

EllanVannin

Remember when police used to take their jackets off to these characters ? I do. This was the 60's. Police were more on foot then so were more aware and they were never far away if you needed them because sub-stations were dotted around and you always felt safe.

Oh the good old 60s - no police corruption, no fitting up of the innocent, no racism, no sexism. Please let’s keep a sense of proportion about the police service and the past.

What's that supposed to mean ?

suziewoozie

My takeaways from this case

It took over 2 years to get to court
Her life has been on hold
Men’s jobs matter more than women’s lives and safety
She was silly for coming back from work

It's not acceptable.

What can we do? Why have we come so far as women, to not be doing better than THIS?

We've just had women's day and women are still being trafficked, women are still being killed for being women. In India wonen are gang raped and then stoned. It's not acceptable. In the UK we think we have rights, and then something like this happens and I just wonder, do we?

Yes Onward nothing will change when this current fest is over. My other takeaway is that he would’ve bern jailed if unemployed?.

I am almost speechless @Suziewoozie

Perhaps he would have been jailed if he was unemployed, but maybe they would have used a different excuse. It's disgraceful because they will probably do it again.

Sometimes these men just move area or change their name to avoid detection.

“ ....they get these attitudes from their family and those the mix with”

Not their families, they do it because they can, nobody disciplines them, even those that go to private schools are just as bad, a few drinks and any respect goes out of the window.
On the other side a good few of the girls behave like alley cats.

Katie59

“ ....they get these attitudes from their family and those the mix with”

Not their families, they do it because they can, nobody disciplines them, even those that go to private schools are just as bad, a few drinks and any respect goes out of the window.
On the other side a good few of the girls behave like alley cats.

Really?

Katie59

“ ....they get these attitudes from their family and those the mix with”

Not their families, they do it because they can, nobody disciplines them, even those that go to private schools are just as bad, a few drinks and any respect goes out of the window.
On the other side a good few of the girls behave like alley cats.

.....who is meant to discipline them, if not their families?

If their families think the same, of course they won’t discipline.

You are literally defending rape culture by blaming alcohol.

I don't want the police "taking their jackets off" to sort out criminals. That makes them criminals too and no better than vigilantes. I want people who are accused of a crime to be taken to court in a timely way. Unfortunately, because our justice system has been run down for the last few years, compounded by the pandemic, some cases will now take years to come to court.

Summerlove

If their families think the same, of course they won’t discipline.

You are literally defending rape culture by blaming alcohol.

Dont be silly their families would be horrified if they saw or heard them behaving that way, yes there are families that set a bad example most dont.

Society does not discipline children, many parents don’t, schools don’t, police don’t, bad behavior does not have consequences, until they commit a major crime. Many young men simply don’t grow up and spend much of their cash on alcohol and drugs.

Women are demanding that the streets should be safer, what we should be demanding is that our children boys and girls, should respect more and behave better. Of course that means accepting the responsibility ourselves to do our part

I won't walk alone in certain areas, I park my car where it can be seen easily, carry an alarm and havevhad a few unpleasant encounters over the years,don't go out after dark on my own now, but I know these awful men are the minority, but you always have to be vigilant. So do young men, in the wider area of my home three young men have been knifed to death, we hear of it a lot, not a rare occurrence, my grandson had an unprovoked attack and was beaten up for his iPhone, he is over 6ft and fit, gym and running etc, but no match against a gang of 6 coming from behind him, all on Ct.v. He is the kindest person and would never raise his hand except to defend himself. I do think most people get their values from their family, unfortunately dysfunctional families frequently have children that are. Violence breeds violence. It is men and women that suffer abuse. I feel so much for Sarah's family, her boyfriend and friends, a lovely young woman with her life before her, taken in this savage way.

Maybe places like Singapore have the right idea. Public canings.

nanna8

Maybe places like Singapore have the right idea. Public canings.

No