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varian Mon 22-Mar-21 13:49:45

Those who organised the "Kill the Bill" demonstration in Bristol were no doubt referring to the bill currently going through parliament to restrict protests and impose draconian punishments for damaging property, but unfortunately "Kill the Bill" meant something quite different to a mob of violent hooligans who attacked the police, leaving many injured.

The power of language should not be underestimated.

news.sky.com/story/bristol-kill-the-bill-protest-20-officers-injured-two-seriously-by-rioters-who-came-for-fight-with-police-12253360

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 19:33:51

Actually, George Ferguson was an Independent

Delila Mon 22-Mar-21 19:40:16

AmberSpyGlass, If you think the peaceful protesters earlier in the day were provoked by the actions of the police to become the violent rioters later on you are either naive or disingenuous.

These protests are often infiltrated by organised factions determined to cause chaos by violent means in support of their own unrelated agendas. You can clearly see these were two entirely different crowds.

The unfortunate choice of the slogan “kill the bill” acted as a rallying cry to those waiting in the wings to sabotage the event.

Callistemon Mon 22-Mar-21 19:56:42

Oldwoman70

Actually, George Ferguson was an Independent

Interesting, he was a Liberal then Lib Dem - that figures though!

Callistemon Mon 22-Mar-21 19:58:50

Delila ?
Yes, a new group arrived or else they had infiltrated and kept quiet until later.

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 20:39:49

Callistemon

Oldwoman70

Actually, George Ferguson was an Independent

Interesting, he was a Liberal then Lib Dem - that figures though!

When he decided to stand for Mayor he formed his own political party Bristol 1st

Sparkling Wed 24-Mar-21 07:44:28

The scenes made me feel physically sick. How dare they attack the police and cause such maher and damage. Our police should not have to face this. These protestors that do not want to live in this country how the majority of decent folks do, why can't they be repatriated to a country they care more at home. That won't happen of course, so should do a spell in prison, no to or phone, then a couple of years cleaning up the areas in which they live, also pay their share of any damage they cause, I would have them tagged for the first year too. have we got to wait until they kill police or member public? That lovely policewoman on to tv this morning, bravely went onto the front line to assist her fellow officers, protecting us from that mob.

yggdrasil Wed 24-Mar-21 09:18:46

A peaceful protest was hijacked by a mob out for trouble. The protesters do want to live in this country, they just don't like the way it is going. And that includes the violent mobs that seem to be more prevalent these days

Alexa Wed 24-Mar-21 10:42:49

Is is Priti Patel herself or is it Conservative agenda that is to blame ?

Is there a global slide to the far-Right due to widespread fear and insecurity?

varian Wed 24-Mar-21 10:53:56

Two years ago on 23 rd March over one million peaceful protesters marched through London to demand a second vote on leaving the EU. There were very few police in evidence and there was not one arrest.

By 24 March 2019, the petition to revoke Article 50 had received 5 million signatures, and is the most-signed petition to the UK parliament on record it reached 6 million on 31 March, and closed on 20 August with a total of 6,103,056 signatures.

The way that peaceful protest on this scale is ignored does no credit to our country.

timetogo2016 Wed 24-Mar-21 10:54:50

Agree AGAA4,any excuse to be a prat,thick as s..t

JenniferEccles Wed 24-Mar-21 12:48:24

The horrific demonstrations in Bristol against the proposed new Bill will I think have completely the opposite effect to what these hooligans want.

We have tolerated these unlawful rent a mob riots for far too long, and the time has come to crack down on them.

Peaceful, law abiding, calm protests are one thing but as we have seen over the past few years, they always descend into violence.

BLM, Extinction Rebellion, and every other latest bandwagon you care to mention all end up the same way.

Iam64 Wed 24-Mar-21 13:03:32

Varian is right, peaceful protest is ignored. The last major demonstration I took part in was Not In my Name. The majori

Oldwoman70 Wed 24-Mar-21 13:15:42

Violent and disruptive protests do nothing to aid a cause. Any protest needs the support of the general public, blocking roads, attacking police, destroying property means loss of public support.

EllanVannin Wed 24-Mar-21 13:20:39

They should be branded like cattle ! Useless unemployable cretins.

Alegrias1 Wed 24-Mar-21 13:22:11

Oh FGS! We're not in a medieval state! Branded! What next? Amputation and deportation to the colonies?

Iam64 Wed 24-Mar-21 13:27:52

EllanVannin

They should be branded like cattle ! Useless unemployable cretins.

I don’t support violent protest.
EllenVannin - you cant be serious

varian Wed 24-Mar-21 13:35:01

JenniferEccles posts-

"Peaceful, law abiding, calm protests are one thing but as we have seen over the past few years, they always descend into violence".

This is not true. Over a million peaceful protesters marched through London in 2019 and there was no violence, no arrests. Here and there along the route a small number of brexit thugs appeared on the sidelines and shouted insults, trying to be provocative, but they were just laughed at or ignored.

varian Wed 24-Mar-21 13:40:30

On the other hand a few hundred brexit thugs attacked the police in Parliament Square in Sep 2019 and 16 arrests were made

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/sep/07/pro-brexit-supporters-clash-with-police-at-londons-parliament-square-video

MaggieTulliver Wed 24-Mar-21 13:46:35

I’m supportive of the peaceful protest and disturbed by what the bill is proposing. Of course I don’t support violence but am saddened by the reactionary comments here about branding people etc.

EllanVannin Wed 24-Mar-21 13:48:23

Their acts are medieval aren't they Alegrias ? Stone-throwing, defacating in public ? Treat them accordingly !

EllanVannin Wed 24-Mar-21 13:50:03

No wonder there's Covid everywhere with these filthy beasts.
Human faeces contain the virus.

JenniferEccles Wed 24-Mar-21 13:51:20

All the more reason then isn’t it varian to crack down on all disruptive demonstrations, regardless of the perpetrators’ political leanings?

Although since you mentioned Brexit, those supporting it came from all political parties.

varian Wed 24-Mar-21 13:58:56

Supporters of brexit were far more likely to be on the right, voting for UKIP or the Tories.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

Maggiemaybe Wed 24-Mar-21 14:04:50

I suppose she thought they should just stand there unprotected and take the violence and abuse.

Sadly, Oldwoman70, a lot of otherwise intelligent people in this country think exactly that. And then when they do, the public shouts about the fact that they just stood and did nothing. Funny old world, isn't it?

varian Wed 24-Mar-21 14:17:28

While we are still in the grip of the pandemic, and probably for the foreseeable future, those who want to organise a lawful demonstration must observe social distancing and wear masks.

Sadly those on the right are less willing to obey the rules.

"At least 36 people were arrested at an anti-lockdown protest in central London which saw crowds hurling missiles at police and assaulting officers. Thousands of people joined Saturday's demonstration, which travelled from Hyde Park to St Paul's Cathedral and back to Westminster, ahead of the anniversary of the first UK lockdown which began on March 23 last year."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/21/anti-lockdown-protest-30-arrested-london-rally-turns-violent/

These people are often also believers in conspiracy theories and climate change deniers and have little regard for the rest of the community.