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If that post @ 12.00 is directed at me then say so Pippa. I'll take it that it is and to clarify, the ignorance that I referred too was with regard to your inability to judge what is appropriate to post.

It was not a judgement on your intellect but your apparent unwillingness or inability to even begin to understand how important some one's faith means to them.

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For those of faith it isn't a well thought through philosophy suziewoozie it is much more than that and not something that I can explain. I wish I could but then again would I be accused once more of evangelising and/or being on a conversion mission?

Well my philosophy underpins how I try to live my but the right wing on GN just think they can make sweeping nasty generalisations about ideas and beliefs I hold dear - that was my point.

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You may be right suziewoozie but I'm not right wing so that doesn't apply to me.

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Matthew 5. 11

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One of the first things any Christian will realise is that we are all sinners without exception, Christian, pagan, atheist, moslem, Buddhist. ‘For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God’ from Romans. Christians don’t put themselves above anyone, why would they? Often they would like others to experience their joy, however, and it is joy. That is why they tell others about their faith, not to earn brownie points. Of course there are some nasty people amongst them just as there are some nasty people amongst non Christians. I think the politician likely meant well but didn’t understand that what he was doing could be taken as an insult.

Christians think I'm sinner, I don't. I think I have a lot to learn but I don't think I'm tainted by original sin just by being born.

My cousin is a lay preacher, a lovely chap who is kind and helpful to everyone he meets. While preaching at a family member's funeral he told us how sad he was that this person hadn't gone to heaven and that the rest of us weren't going either, because we didn't subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as him.

I'm afraid I laughed (quietly, it was a funeral....) but my parents were so upset. That wasn't helping others find their joy.

I have reported the whole thread. Yes, it was me. Now you can have a go about that.

And I've asked GNHQ not to delete it. I think it would be a pity because we're having a proper conversation.

Let's see.

I don’t understand the need of non believers to rubbish practicing Christians on this thread.

Would you do it to believers in Islam? Jews? Hindus? Jain? Jedi?

OK, I'm going to shout, in case we get deleted:

WHO IS RUBBISHING YOU?

I'm a non believer, many of us are, don't tar us all with the same brush. It would be nice if you could get the chip off your shoulder.

I might regret this...

Jesus criticised hypocrites – those who wear a mask. If you say one thing and do another Christian or none Christian that is hypocracy.

Hypocrisy is not falling short of a standard. Hypocrisy is covering up that you say one thing and do another. The opposite of hypocrisy is not perfection, but authenticity.

www.bethinking.org/is-religion-harmful/why-are-christians-so-hypocritical

Pantglas2

I don’t understand the need of non believers to rubbish practicing Christians on this thread.

Would you do it to believers in Islam? Jews? Hindus? Jain? Jedi?

Rubbish = criticise? Oh come on. Are Christians beyond criticism? And yes, if this was a thread about specific aspects of other faiths, too damn right I’d be in there criticising aspects I didn’t agree with. See thread on the Batley Grammar thread for example. I don’t appreciate your implication quite frankly.

‘Hypocrisy is not falling short of a standard. Hypocrisy is covering up that you say one thing and do another. The opposite of hypocrisy is not perfection, but authenticity.’

Spot on.

Thank you Annie.

I twice asked for the thread to be deleted over the weekend but to no avail. While I agree in some ways it would be a shame because there have been some interesting and informative discussions, I think that the posts that don't fit that mould have resulted in this thread becoming extremely unpleasant.

I don't agree with what you cousin said Alegrias it isn't his or anyone's place to decree who will or will not be welcomed into heaven.

A good friend of ours, a former army chaplain and C of E minister had a poster on his bathroom door that said 'may you be in heaven half an hour before the devil knows you've gone'.

"The opposite of hypocricy is not perfection, but authenticity" spot on suziewoozie.

At last; thank you ZadieGransnet.

I have dipped in and out of this thread which I think it has stimulated an interesting discussion about religion and politics. I think there have been some thought provoking posts on all sides.

I’m not religious, but I love discussions about my world view, (humanist and socialist) because it gives an opportunity to expose what I think to the scrutiny of others, and I nearly always learn something. I think it’s fascinating to understand why others hold certain beliefs, so I do hope this thread isn’t deleted because of bad feeling.

Matthew 5:11-12
New International Version
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

I think there’s faults on both sides on this thread quite frankly and I hope annie and Smileless aren’t trying to suggest otherwise in their interchange?

Smileless2012

At last; thank you ZadieGransnet.

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PippaZ

Smileless2012

At last; thank you ZadieGransnet.

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I rather think Zadie’s post was not addressed to anyone or any group specifically just a general ‘tone it down ‘ comment.

Snow!!! Has anyone else got it?

Yes "At last" because I contacted GNHQ twice over the weekend but as I was the only one who'd reported the thread, no action could be taken.

Why don't you ask myself and/or Annie directly suziewoozie if you really want to know?