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The Conservatives have claimed Good Friday

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suziewoozie Fri 02-Apr-21 23:04:23

Just when you think they can’t sink any lower

Grany Sun 04-Apr-21 09:55:31

Tory MPs make the final link to identify with fascism in ‘Good Friday’ tweet
In a list of 14 characteristics of fascist regimes, as defined by Lawrence W Britt. Johnson’s government conformed to 13 of them.
Apparently many other Tory MPs have tweeted it too, which suggests that it has come from Conservative Central HQ.
So this image can serve no other purpose than to attempt an intertwining of religion and government, as defined in fascist ideology.

There has been a backlash, of course.

Nadhim, please consider deletion. Good Friday marks the death of Jesus Christ. Not normally something you would stick a party logo on.— Tory Fibs (@ToryFibs) April 2, 2021

Shown this to Christian husband. Says it is offensive…especially given the persecution of minorities under this Government.

Suggest you remove it.— ?carol hedges (@carolJhedges) April 2, 2021

How dare you brand the cross with a political logo. Shame on you.— Fr Ian Maher SCP???????????#RejoinEU (@IanMaher7) April 2, 2021

Sorry, but, as a Christian on this holiest of days, that is pretty offensive.— Ben Bradshaw (@BenPBradshaw) April 2, 2021

I am not a Christian but I find this deeply offensive, I wonder what Jesus would have made of food banks, school children going hungry in the holidays and the herd immunity policy that left the most vulnerable to die?— tessa rodgers (@tessarodgers12) April 2, 2021

Go on, tell us how Jesus' life & teaching is reflected in today's Conservative party.— Unicorn 3.5% ? ??????? ?? ? #FBPA #FBPE (@LenoreSimson) April 2, 2021

Some Tories have tried to counter by claiming that the image was no worse than when the Labour Party has posted images to Muslims saying “Eid Mubarak”, but it is an argument that does not work. Here’s the reason:

I don't regard this as well-intentioned. It's turning the Cross into a Conservative Party symbol. .— (((Frances 'Not A Monster' Coppola))) ??? (@Frances_Coppola) April 2, 2021

Just so. Labour wasn’t appropriating Muslim symbols when it sent its message to Muslims, but that’s exactly what this message did.

Alegrias1 Sun 04-Apr-21 10:10:46

I don't actually think that this is a centralised diktat from Tory HQ. If you do a reverse image search on the tweet you can see that its been used by a bunch of rather dim Tories who really don't get what all the fuss is about. Most of the serious ones haven't used it, apart from Zadawi.

trisher Sun 04-Apr-21 10:22:52

I wonder at Christians who say they don't find this offensive. Did they not look carefully enough? Why are the letters GOOD so large? This isn't a time when 'good' things happened. Why is the cross so large and yet unadorned? Would the traditional black wrap have made it less attractive, reminding people perhaps of all the deaths from Covid? Consider how a more appropriate image might have looked. Large cross with a black drape. In small font on bottom left hand corner Good Friday and Conservative. It's a wholly different story isn't it?

Anniebach Sun 04-Apr-21 10:29:06

If he used The Cross for political reasons then no different to those on this thread who are doing the same.

Alegrias1 Sun 04-Apr-21 10:36:07

Its isn't though Annie, its not the same at all.

Johnson has just released a very respectful and measured Easter message. Although I don't agree with his politics I think it is a good message.

The "Good Friday. Conservatives" message is just an ill thought out and blatant attempt to associate a political party with a religious festival.

EllanVannin Sun 04-Apr-21 10:45:54

I was led to believe that politics is found in the Bible itself ?

Ellianne Sun 04-Apr-21 10:51:01

I said on Friday there might be a follow up on his Twitter account today and here it is.

Callistemon Sun 04-Apr-21 10:54:36

EllanVannin

I was led to believe that politics is found in the Bible itself ?

Yes, of course it was EllanVannin!
Some posters don't seem to understand that.

Jesus was a protester, a rebel leader.

Alexa Sun 04-Apr-21 10:55:14

The Conservatives will rake up anything at all to gain political points nothing too sordid,too stupid,too misleading, or too sacred.

Callistemon Sun 04-Apr-21 11:03:46

They're all the same

Callistemon Sun 04-Apr-21 11:05:19

Although, to be fair, I'm not sure that the Lib Dems have done the same
smile

EllanVannin Sun 04-Apr-21 11:06:32

" I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgement " Corinthians.

Political isn't it ?

EllanVannin Sun 04-Apr-21 11:09:16

There may be Christians here by name, but certainly not by nature. As the Bible quotes---"hypocrites".

Alegrias1 Sun 04-Apr-21 11:10:29

What are we talking about? Who are the hypocrites?

I'm an atheist so I know its not me.....

Ellianne Sun 04-Apr-21 11:13:01

I think EV is referring to the politicians not GNs.
I would hope anyway.

Greeneyedgirl Sun 04-Apr-21 11:25:15

If the Jesus we read about in the New Testament was here today, and had a Twitter account, I wonder what his posts would be? Would he be offended by this tweet I wonder, and what would his message be?

Mollygo Sun 04-Apr-21 11:39:28

Greeneyedgirl

If the Jesus we read about in the New Testament was here today, and had a Twitter account, I wonder what his posts would be? Would he be offended by this tweet I wonder, and what would his message be?

Possibly Psalm 37:8

Alegrias1 Sun 04-Apr-21 11:39:42

Mark 10: 21 - 22

trisher Sun 04-Apr-21 13:09:26

Ok is this a case of putting all your eggs in one basket?? Or are the warning you to hang on to your nest egg?

Mollygo Sun 04-Apr-21 13:31:38

I won’t look at this thread anymore, not even to see if my post has been deleted.

Political parties have posters associating them with a Happy Easter message , regardless of whether they are Christian or not, but none of them offer the vilification of each other’s party that you can read on here.
Happy and peaceful Easter to those who want one.

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Apr-21 13:52:24

Why do you wonder if those of us who are Christians didn't find this offensive because we didn't look hard enough trisher? Do you find it so difficult to believe anyone can have a different opinion to your own?

Your post @ 13.09 is grossly offensive trisher. You may find the whole idea of Christianity amusing but I can assure you there are others on GN who do not, who take their faith and what this Easter weekend means very seriously indeed.

Your post @ 11.09 is equally offensive EllanVannin. I see it's been suggested that you are referring to politicians rather than GN's but even if that is the case, unless you have windows into the souls and hearts of others, who are you to say whether or not anyone is a Christian "by name but not by nature".

I'm sure that would have been His response Mollygo and just reading some of the disrespectful, self righteous and offensive posts on this thread, has reminded me how difficult that response is too uphold.

So Alegrias are you an atheist who just cherry picks parts of the bible because they mistakenly think it gives their point of view some credence?

maddyone Sun 04-Apr-21 14:12:04

Mollygo
I think his message on Twitter would be:

Love one another, as I have loved you.

Don’t think anyone could argue with that.

Alegrias1 Sun 04-Apr-21 14:15:28

So Alegrias are you an atheist who just cherry picks parts of the bible because they mistakenly think it gives their point of view some credence?

No, I'm widely read and able to recognise bits of many books which are relevant to my argument.

And I don't insult people who have a faith because I respect their point of view. Look hard, you won't find me disrespecting anybody for what they believe as regards religion. Unlike some who think it OK to sneer at atheists.

trisher Sun 04-Apr-21 14:18:50

Smileless2012

Why do you wonder if those of us who are Christians didn't find this offensive because we didn't look hard enough trisher? Do you find it so difficult to believe anyone can have a different opinion to your own?

Your post @ 13.09 is grossly offensive trisher. You may find the whole idea of Christianity amusing but I can assure you there are others on GN who do not, who take their faith and what this Easter weekend means very seriously indeed.

Your post @ 11.09 is equally offensive EllanVannin. I see it's been suggested that you are referring to politicians rather than GN's but even if that is the case, unless you have windows into the souls and hearts of others, who are you to say whether or not anyone is a Christian "by name but not by nature".

I'm sure that would have been His response Mollygo and just reading some of the disrespectful, self righteous and offensive posts on this thread, has reminded me how difficult that response is too uphold.

So Alegrias are you an atheist who just cherry picks parts of the bible because they mistakenly think it gives their point of view some credence?

I gave the reason why I wondered about Christians Smileless2012 if you didn't understand I'm sorry. I posed a number of questions for Christians, ir's up to them if they bother to answer.
As far as finding Christianity amusing, well some bits of it are hilarious. However I have always had a profound respect for the solemnity of Good Friday and the way it is presented. Passing the statues on my local RC church all wrapped in purple always made me think. Which is why I see this picture of a cross and the huge GOOD before Friday as just another propaganda tool, and why I am amazed Christians can't see it.

Alegrias1 Sun 04-Apr-21 14:34:14

So I'm heading into the lions' den now. That's an Old Testament reference - am I allowed that?

I read Trisher's 13:09 post as a dig at the Conservatives co-opting religious imagery to try to get their message across. Not a poke at religion, and to be honest with you an immediate assumption that we are making fun of religion is what makes it very difficult to engage in serious conversation with some people of faith. Its like walking on eggshells.