A year of Starmer What do you think?

Diane Abbott interviewed on Sky this morning, yawn. And are we to have independence for Scotland all day every day.

Reshuffle for Labour later today

As someone said, Andy Burnham would make a huge difference as leader of the Labour party. His passion for the people/ constituents is there for all to see. Bring it on. Get rid of Starmer, he's as much use as an ashtray on a motor-bike.

Anniebach

Diane Abbott interviewed on Sky this morning, yawn. And are we to have independence for Scotland all day every day.

I think the answer to this is yes, until they achieve it.

I think one of the reasons people don’t think that Labour are a viable opposition is Dianne Abbott. A great, groundbreaking politician in her day but I find her embarrassing these days.

We seem to be a country split politically (and probably socially) into two cults, the cult of Corbyn and the cult of Boris, who now says he’s going to be PM for the next 10 years.

I am not in either of those cults, do I need a cult, where do I find one I like

Agree MayBee and with the far left gunning for Starmer we will have PM Boris for the next ten years.

Suddenly Andy Burnham is chocolate yet twice lost the leadership election

Oh yes, Andy Burnham just elected as Mayor of Greater Manchester; quite happy to abandon it to be leader 'if he is called.'
Such loyalty, to Manchester and to Keir Starmer.

MayBee70

I think one of the reasons people don’t think that Labour are a viable opposition is Dianne Abbott. A great, groundbreaking politician in her day but I find her embarrassing these days.

But she’s not part of the leadership team is she?

eazybee

Oh yes, Andy Burnham just elected as Mayor of Greater Manchester; quite happy to abandon it to be leader 'if he is called.'
Such loyalty, to Manchester and to Keir Starmer.

Like Johnson abandoned London in his last year as Mayor?!

Yes, but the far left didn’t want him as leader , suddenly Abbott
glowed when asked about him this morning.

Yes, Boris had given them seven years.
Not offering to take on another job the day after he was elected, so nice for all the people who have worked tooth and nail, unpaid, to get him elected.

Labour needs an issue or two expressed in popular language. Labour also needs to project an image of fiscal efficiency.

eazybee

Oh yes, Andy Burnham just elected as Mayor of Greater Manchester; quite happy to abandon it to be leader 'if he is called.'
Such loyalty, to Manchester and to Keir Starmer.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is anything wrong with this? That all politicians haven't given up roles to get the ones they are in?

It's like saying that if I have a job as, say, head of the cheese counter in Sainsco's, I should turn down the chance to manage the store.

suziewoozie

Galaxy

Yes being on the left or being in the centre or being anywhere on a particular political spectrum doesnt make you a good person. As many of us have learnt to our cost this last couple of years.

Exactly - Owen Jones is not a good person. I think when he first came on the scene he was a breath of fresh air but once he picked up and ran with TWAW he became unbearable.

So are we now labelling everyone who thinks trans women are women as mysoginist or evil? Of course Owen Jones is a good guy. He picked up on what was happening to working class people way before Cummings or anyone else started manipulating them for their own purposes. He remains a firm suporter of left wing politics and if the only argument anyone can come up with for not believing TWAW is that it's mysoginistic it proves how unfounded their beliefs are. Believing people should be treated equally and fairly has always been good. It's demonising people for beliefs which promote equality whilst pretending to care about people that is evil.

I don't think Owen Jones would be interested in leading the LP by the way it's not something he does.
I'd be far more interested to see if the Welsh Labour leader Mark Drayford would be interested in spreading his success into England.

eazybee

Yes, Boris had given them seven years.
Not offering to take on another job the day after he was elected, so nice for all the people who have worked tooth and nail, unpaid, to get him elected.

You do realise he didn’t say that don’t you? But hey this is GN - I suppose being a Johnson supporter means having a pretty elastic relationship with the facts

It's my personal opinion that Starmer can barely oppose his thumbs never mind the Tories. I've even been known to wonder if he's a Tory infiltrator. Anyway, with him at the helm Labour's going to self destruct sooner rather than later.

No trisher as I dont believe in cults I dont think that anyone who believes TWAW is a bad person. My closest friend believes that for example. I think that men who try to get women sacked for holding a different view to them are not good people. OJ cant cope with women who hold a different view to him. He sees women as vessels basically.

But you are right there is zero chance of OJ becoming leader I think it's more likely that Ant and Dec would take the role.

Galaxy

No trisher as I dont believe in cults I dont think that anyone who believes TWAW is a bad person. My closest friend believes that for example. I think that men who try to get women sacked for holding a different view to them are not good people. OJ cant cope with women who hold a different view to him. He sees women as vessels basically.

If a woman is in a position where holding views which influenced how she treated individuals working in the same organisation, like refusing to acknowledge a transwoman as a woman, then I'm sorry she would have to go. Just as a man who believed women were somehow inferior would also have to go. Anyone who openly discriminates against any other person should be regarded as sackable.

While I haven't fact checked it, my first impression is that the article from the OP isn't from an entirely unbiased source. I do however have one thing which sticks in my craw about SKS, which others may think is petty but to me its a straw in the wind.
When he first appeared in the media, numerous online articles said that his wife, who is a lawyer but not registered as currently practicing worked in the NHS as an Occupational Therapist. I was one before I retired and know that this is a protected title so I checked the register and contacted the health professions council when I found that she was not listed. They dealt with it and magically the online info was changed to "works in occupational health" or vanished all together. Now from my experience in the NHS, the only qualified/registered people who work in or for Occupational Health are nurses, medics and therapists plus non qualified admin support. She isn't registered as any of those and I doubt that she types or files for them.....
yes I know this all sounds a bit psycho but I honestly would not care if KS didn't wave his wife's alleged NHS employment as a political point score but not say what it is that she does....she is absolutely entitled to her privacy, both her and the kids but he needs to shut up about it in public.
For me its a straw in the wind......

btw I know its a long shot but does anybody know of their own knowledge ie not from googling, what it is that she does do?

She didnt.

trisher

I don't think Owen Jones would be interested in leading the LP by the way it's not something he does.
I'd be far more interested to see if the Welsh Labour leader Mark Drayford would be interested in spreading his success into England.

I don't think Owen Jones would be interested in leading the LP by the way it's not something he does.

Quite agree, I just threw in my opinion about him because someone had mentioned him. I had no idea he was loathed in certain corners.

I believe Andy Burnham would be good as leader.

I know there are candidates who others would prefer