Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

GrannyGravy13

It’s funny how people are now willing to belong Dominic Cummings, when this time last year he was accused of being a liar?

Who has inferred/said that GrannyGravy13 or are we just back with the "if you can't say anything about the politics on a politics thread you just attack people personally".

We are a few who see that as debate I feel.

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PippaZ Please can you show me where I have ^attacked people?

I have just come back from my local shop, I noticed the front pages of the Saturday papers, all running with Dominic Cummings headers.

The same papers that were trashing him and calling him a liar this time last year, are now hanging onto the words of his blog as if they are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth ?

dominiccummings.com if anyone wants to read his Blog.

It is much more sort of put together than the other weird stuff he twitters on about.

I wonder if he had help?

Gove?

Whitewavemark2

It is much more sort of put together than the other weird stuff he twitters on about.

I wonder if he had help?

Gove?

Isn’t DC’s wife a journalist as is Mr.Gove (Sarah Vine)?

It reads like he has had some guidance or a short journalism course

Dominic Cummings did get a lot of support from Gransnetters both for his 200 mile trip during a pandemic lockdown and for his 30 mile trip to test his eyesight with a four year old in the car, so will the same posters believe him now, or disbelieve him because he no longer a friend of Boris Johnson?

suziewoozie

Here’s the clip

youtu.be/j76bLc4jMP4

Aaaargh! Toe curling.

Whitewavemark2

My money is on Murdoch and the nodding donkeys.

If you have Sky tv or Now tv take a look at The Loudest Voice. It tells the story of how Roger Ailes set up Fox News for Murdoch in the USA. It was an even murkier set up than I thought and that’s saying something. Ailes is played brilliantly by Russell Crowe.

GrannyGravy13

It’s funny how people are now willing to belong Dominic Cummings, when this time last year he was accused of being a liar?

Not me ! I think they are all as bad as each other. I always said Dominic knew where the bodies were buried ! He’s a weasel, so is Gove, so is Boris. IMO of course.

They all know so much about each other- and prepared to blackmail each other too. Nasty and rotten to the core, all of them. But wouldn't it be 'funny' (ahah) if Cummings brought them all down in the end.

This is probably Cummings’ ultimate aim. Isn’t he a bit of an anarchist?

A brave attempt lemon but it looks like you are on your own today. I keep repeating this I know, but the behaviour of Johnson and his cabinet should be angering every person in this country, he is a liar, a cheat, lazy, self serving and not to be trusted in what he says and does, but if it suits some people to completely throw over their personal principles just to get a Tory government then there is little I can say that will change their mind.

They’re like rats in a sack aren’t they? I bet Johnson is worried about what will be leaked next.

GillT57

A brave attempt lemon but it looks like you are on your own today. I keep repeating this I know, but the behaviour of Johnson and his cabinet should be angering every person in this country, he is a liar, a cheat, lazy, self serving and not to be trusted in what he says and does, but if it suits some people to completely throw over their personal principles just to get a Tory government then there is little I can say that will change their mind.

Anyone with principles cannot possibly support this government.

Has anyone read this? I thought I might give it a go.

Whitewavemark2

Has anyone read this? I thought I might give it a go.

Yes and just about to start Failures of State

I see the hand of Gove in this, I believe that Cummings advised him during his disastrous reign as Education Secretary. the whole thing is worthy of Shakespearian tragedy; sadly the real tragedy is that too many people in this country are either blind to Johnson's numerous and well documented faults, or just don't care as long as they got Brexit. Of course, that is going really well isn't it! I have a lot of respect for Dominic Grieves as a man who stood by his belief that staying in the EU was the right thing for this country. In other words, he put his principles before his political career. This current cesspit of a cabinet are like ferrets fighting in a sack, and a curse on all their houses.

The thing about. Cummings is that no one knows what his long term plan is. Or who’s pulling his strings. I’m still suspicious of those years he spent in Russia: something that doesn’t seem to get mentioned much. I don’t trust or believe any of them but assume that he has to tell the truth. Do they have to tell the truth when they come before these committees? Does anyone know the legal aspects of them?

GillT57

A brave attempt lemon but it looks like you are on your own today. I keep repeating this I know, but the behaviour of Johnson and his cabinet should be angering every person in this country, he is a liar, a cheat, lazy, self serving and not to be trusted in what he says and does, but if it suits some people to completely throw over their personal principles just to get a Tory government then there is little I can say that will change their mind.

Brave? Because Tory hating posters may attack me for posting facts? Please read my posts, because facts is what they certainly are. Do I write anywhere on this thread that Johnson is wonderful....have I *ever *said so on any thread at all on GN at any time since he was chosen as leader? The answer is a resounding NO. Has he done well in certain areas? Yes he has.
He got things moving with leaving the EU when there was an utter stalemate in Parliament.He has led a government that has got a fast roll out of vaccinations, so that the UK is doing very well now as regards to Covid.
He sacked Cummings ( a clever but anarchic man) and nothing that DC now comes out with will be believable because of his sacking.
It was worth supporting Johnson to keep Corbyn and his ilk out of power btw as far as I ( and other millions) were concerned.?

Nandalot

This is probably Cummings’ ultimate aim. Isn’t he a bit of an anarchist?

Yes, he is, which is why it was surprising that he worked for any government, unless his plan was to cause mayhem in subtle ways.Clever and hard working but ultimately so arrogant that he was sacked.

Ok Lemon, you keep telling yourself that. I loathe the man, I loathe his behaviour, his disdain for people, his lies, and all the other things which are well documented. Did you see the clip on HIGNFY last night? Johnson out campaigning for the local elections, couldn't even bother his lazy arse to find out the name and party of the local Mayor he was supposed to be out supporting. Truly pathetic. If we are not to believe Cummings because he may be a man scorned due to being sacked, then what of the liar in chief himself? He has been sacked by employers, party leaders ( and wives), so is he motivated only by revenge? I am no fan of Cummings, and he made a mockery of covid restrictions with the eye test farago, but Johnson let it happen and supported him.

There was a stalemate in parliament because Johnson was more busy with his own agenda to become PM than supporting Teresa Mays attempts to get brexit done.

I and many others saw Boris Johnson as the lesser of two evils.

I could never have voted for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.

Boris Johnson got his 80 seat majority on the premise get Brexit done which he did. Whether or not it will be successful for the UK only time will tell.

I tell myself that because it happens to be true Gill nobody could ever trust what Cummings said once he was sacked.
There will no doubt be a mix of truth and lies from him about his time at number ten now, but an employee scorned (especially an arrogant one) can’t be believed at all.He has his own agenda.
As to Johnson, he was always unsuitable to be a PM, and not simply because he lies and is lazy about detail, but in my view because he wants to be liked too much.He was the Conservative members choice for leader and Gove or anyone else wasn’t.He may last out until the next GE and be voted in again, or they may replace him just before the GE or ( the more likely outcome given how many years the Conservatives have been in power) Starmer will win it.
So many people in the UK voted for Johnson solely to keep Corbyn out...this fact cannot be emphasised enough.