Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls?

Builders who installed deadly cladding on Grenfell Tower have given £2.5 million to the Tory party since the tragedy. £50k personally to Boris Johnson.

PippaZ

^Builders who installed deadly cladding on Grenfell Tower have given £2.5 million to the Tory party since the tragedy. £50k personally to Boris Johnson.^

I know it is beyond shocking

What was the date of the Times article Whitewave. This should be all over the press. I don't think there are many really wicked people but this man is.

The poor leaseholders who are going to have to pay. I just hope they can bring some sort of group litigation against the company making the stuff and/or the government. Some of them will be bankrupted while he takes yet another, probably fraudulent, bung.

I’ll get back

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John Spiers

· May 1
Builders who installed deadly cladding on Grenfell Tower have given £2.5 million to the Tory party since the tragedy. £50k personally to Boris Johnson.

This is bribery, no? thetimes.co.uk/article/builders-grenfell-cladding-give-tories-2-5m-5c9gwvhrb…
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I will have a look at the thread

Photo of donators

And this

Property developers responsible for flats covered in dangerous cladding have donated £2.5 million to the Conservative Party since the Grenfell Tower fire in 2017, analysis has found.Boris Johnson has
thetimes.co.uk

Shocking

I don't understand why he is popular either. By far the most corrupt and incompetent prime minister and government in my lifetime. The exception has been the vaccine rollout; this has been a success due to public money going to purchase vaccines (from scientists and manufacturers who know what they are doing) and the roll out being delivered by the NHS; rather than contracts being handed out to Tory donors and mates who have little experience in what they have been asked to deliver and who vastly overcharge.

With regard to the vaccine rollout, I'll leave this tweet here. Some may agree, some may disagree. It amused me...

Steve C
@ColwillStephen
Let me explain something The Vaccine Roll out would still be a success even if MR Bean or Shrek was the PM it is only a success cos of the Scientist that made it and the NHS !!! Bojo can try to piggy back on its success as much as he likes it won"t change that !!!

That seems recent enough for it to gain legs as others pick it up Whitewave.

MaizieD

With regard to the vaccine rollout, I'll leave this tweet here. Some may agree, some may disagree. It amused me...

Steve C
@ColwillStephen
^Let me explain something The Vaccine Roll out would still be a success even if MR Bean or Shrek was the PM it is only a success cos of the Scientist that made it and the NHS !!! Bojo can try to piggy back on its success as much as he likes it won"t change that !!!^

Might amuse you but it's totally incorrect

Neither the Scientist nor the NHS procured the vaccine

Not a fan of Boris but let's try to stay factual.

Yes, that was Kate Bingham (Scientist) wasn't it? With money provided by Hancock.

Not a fan of Boris but let's try to stay factual.

I think you're onto a loser there, Gannygangan. Lies have won the day. Facts are irrelevant.

Urmstongran

I read the news. I’m not stupid (in my opinion anyway).
I think he does well because he called it spectacularly right employing Kate Bingham to procure and facilitate delivery of vaccines - even though many (and some on here called his out for ‘cronyism’ at the time). He is also a liberalist at heart although having Covid (again some awful accusations when he was in ICU) have made him über cautious regards restrictions, some scientists are saying unreasonably so. But, here’s the thing. He has charisma. He cheers us up with his daft jokes which make us laugh. He is popular with many (the polls reflect this). Sorry I do know that 90% of you on here find fault, think he’s falling below standards required etc but you gloom buckets are continually in the minority!

I think you might have hit the nail on the head there, Urmstongran.

There's also the point that there is nothing we could actually call a viable opposition in England at the moment.

And I too object to being called stupid and illiterate by people who don't agree with me.

Crunch time on Thursday

How can any party compete with the likes of Ian Duncan Smith, Rees Mogg, Mark Francoise, Peter Bone, Gove, Patel (just remind me what she was sacked for the other year? ?).....

Are we ever going to get a government that's not corrupt when this apathy prevails?

Grannyrebel7

I wonder that you actual believe there is any chance of a totally incorrupt government. Doesn't power corrupt? In all its forms. And don't you have to have a certain ruthlessness to survive in politics anyway? What I like about this country is that we can question who paid for the PM's wallpaper without getting locked up for doing so. I'm sure there are many countries where this is not the case.

So you’re quite happy with the thought that the government in this country is corrupt as long as you can question it even though, if the PM is found guilty he can a-quit himself? I’m all for people being ruthless if it’s for the good of the country but I’m not aware of Johnson ever doing anything for anyone except himself.

Fishing communities not happy with the latest “deal” with Norway - they can fish in our waters and sell the fish tariff free to us but we can’t fish in Norwegian waters. Great.

GrannyRose15

^Are we ever going to get a government that's not corrupt when this apathy prevails? ^

Grannyrebel7

I wonder that you actual believe there is any chance of a totally incorrupt government. Doesn't power corrupt? In all its forms. And don't you have to have a certain ruthlessness to survive in politics anyway? What I like about this country is that we can question who paid for the PM's wallpaper without getting locked up for doing so. I'm sure there are many countries where this is not the case.

So we have to be grateful that we’re not Russia, Belarus, China, N. Korea? O Kaaaaay..

“ GrannyRose15 Are we ever going to get a government that’s not corrupt . . . ?”

Hasn’t happened yet.
Unlikely in the future.
In the past, without the Internet, corruption was just less public.
In the future . . . Would anyone believe it if a political party claimed to have weeded out all corrupt practices and put something in place to stop them happening again?

What a relief. Here I was, worrying that the Prime Minister is an unethical, self serving, lying barsteward. I’ll relax now these kindly posters reassure me that corruption is the norm

Iam64

What a relief. Here I was, worrying that the Prime Minister is an unethical, self serving, lying barsteward. I’ll relax now these kindly posters reassure me that corruption is the norm

Therein lies the success of the project Iam when basically we are told not to worry about the law, standards, rules, guidelines, morals, ethics because a) every government does it and/ or other countries are worse. We are all enablers and facilitators in corruption if we believe this and then ‘we’ have lost and ‘they’ have won.

I can't be the only person seeing the parallels between this thread and the Line of Duty one.

Wow. How can do many people call others 'stupid' because they don't have the same political leaning as them.
I've met first time Conservative voters, and it's exactly those type of comments that will keep them voting Conservative.
The 'red wall' came down because people weren't being listened to. The papers all were remainer leaning, Brexiteers were being called 'stupid' and 'racist' - and they showed what happens when the political elite of any party ignores them.
How about respecting others views, listening without shouting, and stop the silly name calling.