France threatens to cut power to Jersey amid fishing row

Without having any prejudice to the French in general, the Channel Islands and any other nation involved in this debacle, don't you think it is rather crass to threaten cutting off Jersey's electricity? It smacks of bully boy tactics.
I never know whether to admire the French workers for their gumption in standing up for what they believe in when it comes to their industry or criticise for the unpleasantness it causes. I do wonder if our workers had made it clear there were steps too far in the loss of some of our industries whether we would have been happier in Europe. We just seemed to roll over on so many things and go even further than the EU required whilst other members just carried on regardless!

Agincourt, Waterloo, WW1, WW2, Fish!

Is this for real? The Scots were on the side of the French at Agincourt. And Britain were on the same side as the French in both 20th century wars you mention.

If this is the standard of debate over international relations in the general populace, no wonder the Tories are doing so well.

Could you really expect France not to react?

Fishing rights have been agreed, but are not being adhered to.

Why should the French just put up with it?

icanhandthemback

Without having any prejudice to the French in general, the Channel Islands and any other nation involved in this debacle, don't you think it is rather crass to threaten cutting off Jersey's electricity? It smacks of bully boy tactics.
I never know whether to admire the French workers for their gumption in standing up for what they believe in when it comes to their industry or criticise for the unpleasantness it causes. I do wonder if our workers had made it clear there were steps too far in the loss of some of our industries whether we would have been happier in Europe. We just seemed to roll over on so many things and go even further than the EU required whilst other members just carried on regardless!

If I’d been the French, I wouldn’t have done that, but then if I’d been Jersey, I wouldn’t have done what they did and at the last minute either ( which they did). In fact there is a provision in the EU agreement that would allow for retaliation like this in certain circumstances.
However, the situation was a million miles from this. Jersey are now in talks with the French fishermen which would never have happened without threats and the blockade. Can you imagine this outcome if the French had done nothing other than say Merde ce n’est pas juste followed by a Gallic shrug of the épaules? And imo we are far too docile
What’s depressing on this thread has been a general lack of understanding and thought on the issues involved in all their complexities.

grandtanteJE65

Could you really expect France not to react?

Fishing rights have been agreed, but are not being adhered to.

Why should the French just put up with it?

Yes yes yes yes

Two most tricky Brexit problems foreseen straight after the referendum? Fishing and the Irish border. Two most tricky agreements cobbled together at the eleventh hour? Fishing and the Irish border. Fighting about both before six months are up. So that went well, didn’t it?

The President of Jersey Fishing Association on LBC this morning Jersey fishermen have applied for fishing licenses for French waters, not one has been granted

Not clear cut.

Smacks of terrorism......

The Channel Islands are the remnants of the Duchy of Normandy. They are not part of the UK. The UK is responsible for their protection - Fact - so we the British taxpayers have had to stomp up the hundreds of thousands of pounds it has taken to send two Royal Navy ships while the CI themselves continue to operate as tax havens. The discussion about rich and poor people being everywhere is completely irrelevant - what is relevant is the anomaly of having to provide protection to islands that are not part of the UK when at the same time those islands serve to bleed the UK of tax payments that should be contributing towards the CI defence. Of course all this will blow over and in it will be forgotten the removal of international aid to people who haven't got a cat in hell's chance of ever earning enough money to worry about paying tax.

GrannyGravy13

The President of Jersey Fishing Association on LBC this morning Jersey fishermen have applied for fishing licenses for French waters, not one has been granted

Not clear cut.

I’ve been trying to find a link to this ( which I’m generally good at) with no luck. I’d like to know more - anyone on here got any more information please?

Shortlegs

Smacks of terrorism......

For goodness sake ????????

France are showing their true colours.

BlueRuby

France are showing their true colours.

What true colours are those then?

BlueRuby

France are showing their true colours.

... bit like the UK.

And people thought it was an exaggeration to claim that Brexit could lead to war... isn’t that why the EU was set up, after WW2? Free trade so that a war wouldn’t happen again? It didn’t take long did it?

Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Msn ARE a part of the British Isles for anyone’s information and if you don’t believe me look it up or google it!

Bluedaisy

Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Msn ARE a part of the British Isles for anyone’s information and if you don’t believe me look it up or google it!

The British Isles are not a sovereign/ political entity. The important issue is that the CI are not part of the U.K. You do know don’t you that whilst you could move to the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Orkney tomorrow you couldn’t move to the CI without fitting strict criteria.How jolly British that is ?

There was a short item on the French lunchtime news yesterday about the fishing issue, but nothing today. Instead there was a long item about tomorrow, which is a day of remembrance for the dead of World War II with ceremonies in cities, towns and villages across France.
I don't quite understand this visceral hatred of the French, some people are clearly parroting what they read in the tabloids, but I still find it bizarre. The nuances of historical evidence certainly don't seem to get much attention.
There is no equivalent obsession about the British discernible here and people are really not at all interested in Brexit any more.

The Channel Islands are not part of the UK, and were never in the EU, so brexit agreements should not have affected them at all.

The deployment of gunboats gunboats was a great boost to the Tory election prospects. Britain ruling the waves gets quite a lot of votes but pointing the guns at the French is as good as you could ever get!

It is so good for the Vote Leave Government that it almost makes me wonder whether the Russians were behind the whole pantomime.

varian

The Channel Islands are not part of the UK, and were never in the EU, so brexit agreements should not have affected them at all.

The deployment of gunboats gunboats was a great boost to the Tory election prospects. Britain ruling the waves gets quite a lot of votes but pointing the guns at the French is as good as you could ever get!

It is so good for the Vote Leave Government that it almost makes me wonder whether the Russians were behind the whole pantomime.

You’re wrong about the Brexit bit- read my earlier post. Their ambiguous position is all of the problem however.

I think it's terribly funny and typically French. Good for them standing up for their rights as usual. I've never been bothered about French strikes etc, a nuisance yes. but whoever is protesting does is loud and strong, short and sharp. Problem solved, GJs excepted, that is now a pain, instead of the long drawn out strikes in GB which never seem to reach a conclusion anyway.

The EU did not want GB to leave so now they are giving it a hard time, can you blame them, hissy fits notwithstanding? Just feeling so angry about this Tory government, the only good thing they have done is roll out vaccines, and that is more due to the scientists. Vive La France and Napoleon had his place too. No-one is perfect.

annifrance do you really think the EU is giving the UK a hard time? It seems to me that the UK is just coming up against the reality of becoming a third country. It is pretty clear that some people in the UK government did not understand the detailed impact of the change in status.

It seems to me that the UK is just coming up against the reality of becoming a third country.

^^This

Mamie

annifrance do you really think the EU is giving the UK a hard time? It seems to me that the UK is just coming up against the reality of becoming a third country. It is pretty clear that some people in the UK government did not understand the detailed impact of the change in status.

They should know, they were told often enough.