France threatens to cut power to Jersey amid fishing row

Maybe they just didn’t want to know and cared even less.

Whatever the rights and wrongs between Jersey and France of new fishing regulations (and it seems to work both ways, the problems with fishing and landing catches between them) it was immensely crass, as another poster has already said , for the French Fisheries Minister to be waving the big stick of threatening the cutting off of power to the Island.That had nothing to do with fishing rights!
I do wonder if behind the scenes in Paris, she got a lot of horrified flak from Macron and others about it, what a numpty she is.

suziewoozie

Bluedaisy

Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Msn ARE a part of the British Isles for anyone’s information and if you don’t believe me look it up or google it!

The British Isles are not a sovereign/ political entity. The important issue is that the CI are not part of the U.K. You do know don’t you that whilst you could move to the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Orkney tomorrow you couldn’t move to the CI without fitting strict criteria.How jolly British that is ?

The Channel Islands have had a two-tier system for purchasing homes since just after WW2 and the German Occupation. The Local Market applies to the majority of properties for sale and can only be purchased by local residents who have been born and brought up there or are in receipt of a Employment Permit because they have secured full-time employment in the Channel Islands. This course was taken to secure adequate protection for local people. The Open Market has around 7% of island homes available to British and EEA passport holders to purchase. Just look at the tourist destinations in this country. Homes bought up by people who are not local to that area as their second or holiday homes. The prices sky rocket so youngsters in those places cannot afford to buy somewhere to live there and have to move away. Hooray for the Channel Islands having the sense to operate a fair system.

Sarnia

suziewoozie

Bluedaisy

Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Msn ARE a part of the British Isles for anyone’s information and if you don’t believe me look it up or google it!

The British Isles are not a sovereign/ political entity. The important issue is that the CI are not part of the U.K. You do know don’t you that whilst you could move to the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Orkney tomorrow you couldn’t move to the CI without fitting strict criteria.How jolly British that is ?

The Channel Islands have had a two-tier system for purchasing homes since just after WW2 and the German Occupation. The Local Market applies to the majority of properties for sale and can only be purchased by local residents who have been born and brought up there or are in receipt of a Employment Permit because they have secured full-time employment in the Channel Islands. This course was taken to secure adequate protection for local people. The Open Market has around 7% of island homes available to British and EEA passport holders to purchase. Just look at the tourist destinations in this country. Homes bought up by people who are not local to that area as their second or holiday homes. The prices sky rocket so youngsters in those places cannot afford to buy somewhere to live there and have to move away. Hooray for the Channel Islands having the sense to operate a fair system.

Yes I know all that - my point was it’s not part of the U.K. and we cannot simply move there.They have their own rules - fine - let them provide their own gun ships then.

I wish local people were better protected in the U.K. re housing provision but that’s another story.

Copes283

Gosh this thread has surprised me somewhat! My gut reaction was that les Francais are sabre rattling because they have "got the hump" with us over Brexit. But if, as has been stated here, the CI are not part of the UK, why did we send the Royal Navy over? Sorry, please 'scuse my ignorance!

Yes I had thought that. Like many world leaders who are
going through a sticky patch, starting 'a war' was the best way to deflect attention off their own problems

Wallpapergate springs to mind here!

suziewoozie

Sarnia

suziewoozie

Bluedaisy

Jersey, Guernsey and The Isle of Msn ARE a part of the British Isles for anyone’s information and if you don’t believe me look it up or google it!

The British Isles are not a sovereign/ political entity. The important issue is that the CI are not part of the U.K. You do know don’t you that whilst you could move to the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Orkney tomorrow you couldn’t move to the CI without fitting strict criteria.How jolly British that is ?

The Channel Islands have had a two-tier system for purchasing homes since just after WW2 and the German Occupation. The Local Market applies to the majority of properties for sale and can only be purchased by local residents who have been born and brought up there or are in receipt of a Employment Permit because they have secured full-time employment in the Channel Islands. This course was taken to secure adequate protection for local people. The Open Market has around 7% of island homes available to British and EEA passport holders to purchase. Just look at the tourist destinations in this country. Homes bought up by people who are not local to that area as their second or holiday homes. The prices sky rocket so youngsters in those places cannot afford to buy somewhere to live there and have to move away. Hooray for the Channel Islands having the sense to operate a fair system.

Yes I know all that - my point was it’s not part of the U.K. and we cannot simply move there.They have their own rules - fine - let them provide their own gun ships then.

I wish local people were better protected in the U.K. re housing provision but that’s another story.

British people are free to go to the Channel Islands to live and work. I have no idea why you say they can't.

To all those people being nasty about the French..

Had Jolly Johnson threatened to cut off the French electricity supply everyone would have said that he didn't really mean it, it was just said in a moment of frustration... or, as a joke...

Just thought I'd throw that in...

You can’t buy a house in Jersey though, can you until you’ve lived there for 10 years I believe.

MayBee70

You can’t buy a house in Jersey though, can you until you’ve lived there for 10 years I believe.

If you were going to full-time work in Guernsey you would be issued with an Employment Permit. That would allow you to rent or buy a property from the Open Market only. House prices are very high in the Channel Islands. I am not aware of a length of residency being part of the criteria.

Sarnia

MayBee70

You can’t buy a house in Jersey though, can you until you’ve lived there for 10 years I believe.

If you were going to full-time work in Guernsey you would be issued with an Employment Permit. That would allow you to rent or buy a property from the Open Market only. House prices are very high in the Channel Islands. I am not aware of a length of residency being part of the criteria.

Jersey and Guernsey have different rules - the 5 year rule I’m sure still exists on Jersey and there are rules about renting. Healthcare is also a big issue - both these are huge barriers to just moving there compared with proving within the U.K.

Being half French I can sympathise with the fishermen. The EU has made imports and exports very difficult after Brexit
for everyone. Businesses on both sides of the channel have been badly affected with increased charges and red tape.
I don't agree with the protest or the deliberate ramming of the boat. The owner who did that should have his license revoked and appear in court for criminal damage and endangering life. He should be barred from fishing industry for 10 years.
French culture is different in that people will stand up for their rights and react much faster than us imo
I wouldn't be surprised if they did cut the electric but it would be a disaster for hospital patients, businesses etc.
Hopefully a peaceful solution will be reached.

MaizieD

To all those people being nasty about the French..

Had Jolly Johnson threatened to cut off the French electricity supply everyone would have said that he didn't really mean it, it was just said in a moment of frustration... or, as a joke...

Just thought I'd throw that in...

I wouldn't. I'd be appalled. I'd be even more appalled if he threatened a small island of 110,000 people with the same thing.

Nobody took much notice of the Northern Irish boarder at Brexit and Arleen Foster has had to resign and who do we get then an Ian Paisley clone.
Do we sit back and watch the French dominate negotiations about the Channel Islands fishing rights. They are British just like the Falkland Islands and we went to war about them.
The French have always had an ambiguous attitude to Britain when they need us they are friends when they think they are alright they do not like us.
Dean Rusk got it right when he answered De Gaule at Lyndon Johnstons prompting. De Gaulle asked for all American service people to leave France and was asked "What even the dead ones?"

Just seen this on Twitter:
"You're right about mendacious Mail/ Express/Sun headlines today saying the Navy made the French protest flotilla flee. Pure fantasy. The 100 Fr boats stayed off or in St Helier harbour for as long as they said they would. The blockade was a tabloid invention. So was its defeat."

Who would have thought it?

French culture is different in that people will stand up for their rights and react much faster than us imo
Too right sazzl a lot if it is bluster, though I do admire their attitude a bit too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did cut the electric but it would be a disaster for hospital patients, businesses etc.
Don't worry, Jersey has sufficient electricity of its own to cover that eventuality in an emergency.

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You do have to laugh a bit at the photo ops yesterday provided though for the politicians. Both Le Pen and Girardin amongst fishermen, but with all their masks on they're not very recognisable!
Maybe Macron would have worn his snazzy mask with the tricolour on it.

Channel Islands do generate electricity.
Hospitals which do exist also have back up generators. It would be bad but manageable.

Whilst the threat to cut electricity was a stupid remark, I see no evidence whatsoever that it was ever anywhere near government policy. Girardin is originally from St Malo so that might explain it a bit.

Just my opinion, but I think tax havens are immoral.

French fishermen have always been like this. Just think of the number of times they have blocked Calais,

What bullies they are to try to do this to Jersey , when Jersey was so good to them during the war - they reckoned without the strength of Boris.

This is all a wind up isn't it? Either that or I'm dreaming...

The war?!?

Maggiemaybe

MaizieD

To all those people being nasty about the French..

Had Jolly Johnson threatened to cut off the French electricity supply everyone would have said that he didn't really mean it, it was just said in a moment of frustration... or, as a joke...

Just thought I'd throw that in...

I wouldn't. I'd be appalled. I'd be even more appalled if he threatened a small island of 110,000 people with the same thing.

But I don't think you're a Johnson supporter are you?

They're all getting themselves steamed up on here about the dreadful French but they're quite happy to excuse the most outrageous comments from Johnson. Like bodies piling high...

Aepgirl

French fishermen have always been like this. Just think of the number of times they have blocked Calais,

What bullies they are to try to do this to Jersey , when Jersey was so good to them during the war - they reckoned without the strength of Boris.

I am poised between sobbing and laughing hysterically ???

Alegrias1

This is all a wind up isn't it? Either that or I'm dreaming...

The war?!?

I am really curious as to where the decision to alter the French fishermens' licences at very short notice came from, and why it all happened just in time to send the 'gunboats' in just before an election.

But I don't think you're a Johnson supporter are you?

You're not wrong there, Maizie.

I do still think that the threat (serious or not) was completely unacceptable.