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The Common Good Party - where will I find it?

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PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 10:08:08

I do like reading Richard Murphy's blogs and often find them challenging my views. This one that caught my imagination

Let’s do it instead - turning our work, our communities, our finances, our government, our taxes, to common purpose. To deliver what we all need. Together, that is, because none of us are unaffected by this.

Let’s build the place we have to be.

That is a vision.

You need to read the article to get the details of his thinking but then can anyone tell me - Is there any chance of a Common Good Party and if so where will it come from?

love0c Sun 09-May-21 09:02:16

'aiming to go high and be in control'. That is the breaking line.

growstuff Sun 09-May-21 09:08:35

JenniferEccles Why do you have to be a hippy to care about the common good (ie society)?

Murphy is a Quaker and my guess is that he's picked up the idea of the "common good" from Quaker teachings.

www.friendsjournal.org/quaker-peace-testimony-economics-common-good/

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 09:11:43

M0nica

PippaZ. do stop your unreasoned prejudices get in the way of calm judgement.

Wow!

growstuff Sun 09-May-21 09:19:27

M0nica

PippaZ. do stop your unreasoned prejudices get in the way of calm judgement.

Err? I didn't see Pippa's unreasoned prejudices.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 09:25:59

I see the term “the common good”:as meaning that which is shared and common to all members of society. It can be material, cultural or institutional and should benefit all.

So examples of the common good would be a good health service, a good educational system, a good and fair legal system, an Unpolluted and safe environment etc.

The idea has a long history.

The example of the polar opposite to this argument is the excessive individualism in the Thatcher and Reagan years.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 09:41:42

Both the big political parties has addressed the issue recently with varying degrees of success. So during the last decade we had Blair’s New Labour vowing to address child poverty, education and the NHS, as well as during this decade you have the more amorphous ideas of Cameron’s “big society” and Johnson’s “levelling people”

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 09:44:44

That should be “levelling up” ?.

Sounds as if he is driving a roller over them?

PippaZ Sun 09-May-21 11:35:27

He may yet take to levelling us all Whitewave. Does he still have the water cannon?

PippaZ Sun 09-May-21 11:57:01

Thanks for that growstuff. I am sure you are right and it made very interesting reading - who wants to do real jobs on a Sunday morning grin.

PippaZ Mon 10-May-21 13:21:26

Interestingly both KS and Andy Burnham have mentioned the common good this morning ... ... ...

lemongrove Mon 10-May-21 14:58:15

silverlining48

Just listened to r4 From our own Corespondent this morning and a report from Germany (famous for its long words) about all the new covid related words being used.
In passing he said that the Germans have an strong ethos of fairness which is why their politicians waited their turn despite offers to have it done early, and that included Angela Merkel. Instead of ordering vaccine at the start, which they could easily have done, they knew German people would not have been happy. So they waited for all the EU, rich and poor, and ordered it jointly. Which is why it has been so slow. It’s picking up I am happy to say especially as my dd lives there.

That’s their excuse is it! ?
I heard ages ago that the EU decided to act as a bloc in order to get the vaccines at a better price.
Still, the idea that you heard did give me some amusement.

lemongrove Mon 10-May-21 14:59:45

As Monica and others say...all political parties act in their differing ways for the common good as they see it.
There could never be just one way of doing things.

varian Mon 10-May-21 15:57:01

There are many possible ways of doing things, but would it not be good to live in a country where all views are given equal weight and we are ruled by concensus, not by an elected dictatorship?

PippaZ Mon 10-May-21 18:35:35

It would but this was/is a thread about the Common Good. I hope the LP start to think about it as it has been mentioned. I don't think constantly talking about just working people is enough. I shall list to hear if they say more - or any other party does.

I do appreciate that the Tories talk about "One Nation" but a) I don't think for one moment that half of them believe in any such thing and b) what does it mean other than not letting Scotland have another referendum.

varian Mon 10-May-21 18:51:15

Our Local District Council has 82 Liberal Democrats, 14 Conservatives, 5 Independents and 1 Green Councillor.

What Labour Party???

Whitewavemark2 Mon 10-May-21 19:09:17

Our council is Green.

Although Sussex is still Tory, it is gradually beginning to turn away from the Tories as the demography changes. Every election brings less votes for the Tories, which is gobsmacking given the history of the vote in Sussex.
The demographics are changing, as the traditional Tory voter is dying off, those left have no loyalty to the Tories.
Brighton was the first to totally reject the Tories. Worthing is only Tory by one seat, which is absolutely unheard of.

PippaZ Mon 10-May-21 19:47:25

varian

Our Local District Council has 82 Liberal Democrats, 14 Conservatives, 5 Independents and 1 Green Councillor.

What Labour Party???

Varian, are you on the right thread with this? It's not about the elections. There are two or three threads already running about that.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 10-May-21 19:55:50

That’s me as well then.

PippaZ Mon 10-May-21 20:05:09

You can go on discussing the elections if that's what you want to do but with so many threads about it I was just allerting Varian in case she had the wrong one.

M0nica Mon 10-May-21 20:55:39

As London and the Home Counties go red, the parties seem to swapping their places in the political spectrum. The labour party is for educated privileged city dwellers and their rural equivalents and the Conservative party is the party for the poor and dispossessed.

MaizieD Mon 10-May-21 22:40:52

The labour party is for educated privileged city dwellers and their rural equivalents and the Conservative party is the party for the poor and dispossessed.

Good heavens, MOnica. You do make me laugh

Tories are for the poor and dispossessed ???

Of course, it was the tories who set up all those food banks in Hartlepool, wasn't it?

M0nica Tue 11-May-21 09:22:00

MaizieD Have you heard of something called a joke? Difficult to explain but a good dictionary should define it.

Although based on the evidence of last week's elections, especially where I live (Oxfordshire), it may not be a joke.

PippaZ Tue 11-May-21 09:49:43

M0nica

As London and the Home Counties go red, the parties seem to swapping their places in the political spectrum. The labour party is for educated privileged city dwellers and their rural equivalents and the Conservative party is the party for the poor and dispossessed.

So are you actually suggesting that all the rampant Tories on GN feel they are poor and dispossessed, M0nica?

PippaZ Tue 11-May-21 09:51:30

Actually, the sadness of my post to M0nica is that many of them don't seem to realise just how well off they have become on the backs of those who only have their work income.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 11-May-21 10:08:28

M0nica

As London and the Home Counties go red, the parties seem to swapping their places in the political spectrum. The labour party is for educated privileged city dwellers and their rural equivalents and the Conservative party is the party for the poor and dispossessed.

??? I assume this was said with your tongue in your cheek?