Keir Starmer

Can I ask Urmstongran and EllanVannin if you watched the programme this post is referring to, or are you shooting from the hip?

Galaxy

Are we now doing fantasy politics?

It would certainly appear so!

Apparently it's OK now to claim something which isn't true and, when challenged, to start calling people random names. And in this fantasy world, that's OK too ... so it seems.

No, EllanVannin, it is NOT up to the DPP to prosecute if there does not appear to be enough evidence. The police messed up, so if prosecutions had gone ahead, it is likely they would have failed and a considerable amount of public money would have been wasted.

What do you think about the amount of public money which the current Prime Minister has wasted?

Casdon

Can I ask Urmstongran and EllanVannin if you watched the programme this post is referring to, or are you shooting from the hip?

See my very first post, only a few in. No I didn’t watch it. I didn’t want to know more ‘about the man’. How he likes rice pudding for his Sunday tea.

Onwards.... The basic problem Starmer has got is that he’s not a leader. The debacle of the reshuffle that never was after Hartlepool proves this.

The next issue is that the left of his party has clearly lost ‘the argument’ on several occasions now but are in denial.

They also have the luxury of having their own voters tell them so in no uncertain terms but still they don’t accept it preferring, in their arrogance, to believe that their voters are wrong - even stupid and racist.

Is there any hope for the current incumbents of the Opposition Benches?

It actually seems as if they feel comfortable there!

'The Labour vultures', 'this lot on here'
When I started this thread, I had hoped that we could have a discussion about Keir Starmer's interview with PM. His life story
Obviously, as leader of the Labour Party, his tenure has been dominated by Covid and I found it interesting to find out more about him as a person
Unfortunately, some of these comments are extremely childish, clearly divisive,rude and most importantly, untrue

Okay Ellan I apologise.
I’ll bow out now and leave you all to discuss Keir Starmer’s personality. I agree wholeheartedly he seems a decent, very nice man. Just not a leader. He doesn’t like to upset anybody you see.

And I still think he’s toast. But nicely buttered.

P.s. when I said ‘the Labour vultures’ I meant his own party members. Not anyone on here! I wasn’t being mean. Diane Abbott is proposing Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham instead of Keir Starmer in the news today.

God, I feel so let down by what I have found my fellow citizens to be on this forum. Thanks to those who have tried to balance the fake news.

For those who are commenting without seeing the interview - which is what the OP is about, after all - I can't find a copy of the whole interview but this has a little of it and an article on the rest. I do wonder, if those who vow they cannot pay any attention to it as they wouldn't vote for him, are actually afraid to see a real human being instead of a cardboard cutout with no morals.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57321990

Nope. Just thought it wouldn’t interest me enough to tune in.
I’m not sorry I didn’t bother.
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Does anyone fancy popping onto the corrie thread and saying oh I dont watch it.

Many people have done just that in the past.

Actually you’re missing the point. This programme was to showcase the human side of the LPL. It’s just that it’s pretty irrelevant as it seems the long knives are out for him.

Sadly Galaxy, we live in an era where everyone believes they are entitled to an opinion even when they know nothing at all about the subject.

I'm off to go and talk crochet elsewhere. This forum ... ... ... probably best left unsaid.

The taser thing on Corrie was crazy though

Oh stop being so supercilious PippaZ.

Urmstongran

Nope. Just thought it wouldn’t interest me enough to tune in.
I’m not sorry I didn’t bother.
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So why on earth come here to discuss a topic which is very clear in the title?

BTW 'supercilious' !!! you said you were bowing out?

I changed my mind. It has been known.

How come you’re all not discussing the programme yourselves now anyway?

Perhaps this thread just didn’t generate enough enthusiasm?

It certainly generated your enthusiasm to display your lack of knowledge and propensity to spread fake news

Lady Doesnotkneelalot is struggling indeed.

Kier Starmer might be a decent enough chap but as we all know that it takes a great deal more than that to make an impression on the voting public.

He is lack-lustre isn’t he,and unfortunately for him it appears he is forgettable to the electorate.

In the run-up to the local elections recently I read a very interesting insight into the problems facing him. He was visiting a northern town and an aide accompanying him rushed over to a group of people in the town centre and excitedly asked them if they would like to meet Kier Starmer.

The response - “Who?”

Urmstongran

Oh stop being so supercilious PippaZ.

So why am I being supercilious in holding an opinion of those whose posts I have read when we all know there would be posters up in arms if I said they were stupid, ill-informed and ignorant for expressing an opinion on something they hadn't bothered to watch.

Isn't yours just a spiteful and childish attack on a fellow poster Urmstongran? It's that sort of thinking that makes me think that we have degenerated to a shameful level. Lies are okay. Immoral actions are okay. Stealing is okay. Being a reasonable, moral and balanced human being appears not to be.

He is lack-lustre isn’t he,and unfortunately for him it appears he is forgettable to the electorate.

I suspect that he is not known to the electorate because the right wing press have struggled to find any dirt on him, so say very little about him.

They had a field day with Corbyn after he'd scared them witless by doing so well in the 2017 election. May would have struggled more than she did if she hadn't bribed the DUP to come over to her. Once that happened they let rip with smears and scare stories. His name was plastered all over the media all the time. That's why voters knew who he was.

Urmstongran

Hold the line EV it’s you and me against this lot on here!

Oh wouldn't it be delicious if YC was elected leader, then lost her seat at the General Election!

Think about it. Yvette Cooper? The Yvette Cooper who in the immediate aftermath of the EU referendum stated ‘the result must be honoured’. Is this the same Yvette Cooper who for the following 3 years did her utmost to block every attempt the government made to leave the EU?

I believe it is one and the same.

Jo Swinson suffered that fate, but the LDs are so insignificant nowadays, hardly anyone noticed.

Didn’t Johnson do everything possible to thwart any brexit deal that Teresa May tried to get through because it didn’t fit in with his desire for the leadership? And also walk away from the leadership election when he should have been spearheading the very brexit that he’d campaigned for?

PippaZ

Urmstongran

Oh stop being so supercilious PippaZ.

So why am I being supercilious in holding an opinion of those whose posts I have read when we all know there would be posters up in arms if I said they were stupid, ill-informed and ignorant for expressing an opinion on something they hadn't bothered to watch.

Isn't yours just a spiteful and childish attack on a fellow poster Urmstongran? It's that sort of thinking that makes me think that we have degenerated to a shameful level. Lies are okay. Immoral actions are okay. Stealing is okay. Being a reasonable, moral and balanced human being appears not to be.

It's the latest big word of the day. Some people can't argue, so they call people names.

Urmstongran

How come you’re all not discussing the programme yourselves now anyway?

Perhaps this thread just didn’t generate enough enthusiasm?

It's difficult to concentrate on the topic when so many factual errors (lies?) are made by some posters which others try to correct. But that's a bit like hitting one's head against a brick wall because the errors keep on being repeated.

I didn't watch the interview as O don't feel the need to learn any more about KS than I already knew as I voted for him in the leadership contest.

He looks rather tasty in the photo in today's Guardian, taken whilst at uni.